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To: RnMomof7
God had created them with preferences that controlled their decisions and choices

Do you mean that God created men with the preference to be evil? And that after they did that (Since they had no choice in the controlling), that when they die, God says "aha -- you were created with preferences that controlled your decisions and choices to make you do evil and you did it. AHA HAHAHA! Now, I send you to hell to burn for doing what you were created to do."?
5,474 posted on 09/16/2010 2:49:45 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Cronos
God says "aha -- you were created with preferences that controlled your decisions and choices to make you do evil and you did it.

This is something I was getting at in an earlier post: we are enjoined to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect; we know that God's justice can be hard to understand (but His justice does not stand in isolation from His other attributes); nevertheless, our ideas of justice are necessarily derived, however imperfectly, from our idea of God's justice: we are to be just because God is just, as we are to be merciful because God is Mercy.

But if God's justice is not simply more perfect than what we can achieve, but of an entirely different kind, does that not make our ideas of and efforts toward justice useless? Does it give us permission to be utterly arbitrary?

5,475 posted on 09/16/2010 3:16:26 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Cronos

Well, it’s the prerogative of the Calvinist god. Not giving his creatures any free will, he alone must decide who is saved. He has the power to predestine unto election no one, everyone, the many, the few, or any combination thereof.

Scripture indicates that the majority of souls will not escape perdition. So for some reason, the fewer people saved, the more the Calvin god is glorified. It’s counter-intuitive certainly; but such are the mysteries of the Calvin god.

The real bummer is when an elect soul gets to eternity, and then asks the Calvin god where his stillborn child is. Then the Calvin god, wiping away the poor soul’s tears, says, Well my son, I predestined your beloved son/daughter from before the very foundation of the world that he/she would spend all eternity suffering everlasting torment in the fiery pits of hell, for it is all well and good and pleasing to me, and it brings me great glory to boot.

I’m not sure the Lord God is the Calvin god.


5,476 posted on 09/16/2010 3:18:43 AM PDT by kevao
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