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To: boatbums

I’m curious why your query isn’t to the Calvinist Predestination followers who *know* that some fetuses in the womb are created for hell. Before they can want, think or poop; no matter if they die in the womb, in childbirth at on their first birthday - hell.


5,347 posted on 09/15/2010 6:44:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; boatbums
no matter if they die in the womb, in childbirth at on their first birthday - hell.

Wrong. Calvinists believe children or those who die before birth are saved exactly the same way you and I are saved -- by grace.

We can't earn our salvation. Babies can't earn their salvation.

Grace is the supernatural act of God whereby He brings to Himself those who are His. God determines the length of our days. God is responsible for those babies; He is responsible for their short lifetimes. We can be confident He brings them all to Himself.

It's the Roman Catholic who worries that if a child is not baptized he will spend eternity in purgatory, away from the face of God.

Barbaric.

5,360 posted on 09/15/2010 6:58:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: D-fendr
I’m curious why your query isn’t to the Calvinist Predestination followers who *know* that some fetuses in the womb are created for hell. Before they can want, think or poop; no matter if they die in the womb, in childbirth at on their first birthday - hell.

Because I don't think they really teach that. If I see a post from one of them saying exactly that, I will post a disagreement and say why I did not agree.

Why can't the Magesterium settle the question that grieves so many parents of children lost before any action could be taken for their "spiritual welfare"? I get the whole baptism is necessary thing, but maybe they got that part wrong and should recognize that baptism is something that should come after a person accepts Christ as savior not something "done" to a human being who has no understanding at all. Maybe the ordinance of water baptism is not supposed to be in the way it's done in your religion because it does not address all the aspects of it.

5,387 posted on 09/15/2010 7:54:09 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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