[Mad Dawg]

Once again, you are debating a proposition that was not made. The statement I called false was
Rome says outside the Roman Catholic church, there is no salvation.

THAT is false. It is also not equivalent to “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus”.

While I think you do not know what “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” means, even if it meant what you think it means, it would not disprove my allegation that the original statement was wrong.

Hint: there is only one Church.
Suggestion: if you want to know what Catholics teach about the Church, read Dominus Iesus.

In general, if you want to attack catholic teaching you'll save a great deal of your own precious time if you find out what it is BEFORE you attack it.

I'm sorry if this sounds, or is, condescending, but this is another case of your firmly asserting something easily shown to be untrue.

[metmom]

I'm sorry if this sounds, or is, condescending, but this is another case of your firmly asserting something easily shown to be untrue.

Nevertheless, widely taught and virtually universally believed.

There's a HUGE disparity between what the Catholic church's official position is supposed to be and what happens and is taught, at the local level.

[1000 silverlings]

so in this "one church" can we boldly appear before the throne of God or do we have to be drawn to Christ through Mary and only then have access to the throne?

What do you as Catholics believe? Mormons believe they have to go thru Joseph Smith to God. Most of us agree that that contention is not a Christian belief.

Is there One Mediary or several, or many? What does the bible say? Are we then bigots for insisting that the bible and not man made ideas, are true?

[metmom]

You know, with all the links and sources showing official church statements (like that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church), and for any other teaching that former or ex-Catholics call the church on and you guys vehemently deny, when you guys keep telling us that we’re wrong about doctrinal things that make the church look bad, you guys come off looking a bit silly.

When you have to explain away how what is said isn’t really what is said or what it really means, it appears disingenuous. If it doesn’t really mean what it says, then it should be made much more clear. I’m sure there are literate enough scholars within the Catholic church who could rewrite some of this stuff to say what you guys want it to mean so that what it says and what it means are the same thing and you don’t have to go into long, convoluted, linked, and cited explanations of why it doesn’t mean what is says.

[metmom]

FWIW, there is no salvation outside of Christ.

Christ is Christ and the church is the church.

We come to God through Christ, not His church, as it is faith in HIM which results in salvation, not faith in the church, or baptism, or communion, or anything else that one wants to add to Christ.