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To: Mad Dawg
FWIW, there is no salvation outside of Christ.

Christ is Christ and the church is the church.

We come to God through Christ, not His church, as it is faith in HIM which results in salvation, not faith in the church, or baptism, or communion, or anything else that one wants to add to Christ.

4,640 posted on 09/14/2010 12:21:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
We come to God through Christ, not His church.

His Church is the Body of Christ. Your post is self-contradicting.

4,644 posted on 09/14/2010 12:24:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom
Well, we think the Church is Christ's body. I have never heard anyone say that faith in the Church saved.

As it is faith in HIM which results in salvation

I would say that faith in Him is a gift He gives in His Grace and it is His grace which conducts us to salvation.

The Grace "causes" the gift of Faith, the Faith, is the substance of things hoped for, that is an early taste of the promised salvation; and the evidence of things not seen, that is the gift which testifies to the as yet unseen salvation.

4,667 posted on 09/14/2010 12:49:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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