[Dr. Eckleburg]

Only a hateful and cruel God needs to force love.

That is the modern, Hallmark version of God.

Scripture gives us another, better revelation of who God is. God loves His children so much that "while they were yet sinners, Christ died for them."

Not after they were good; not after they believed, but before they came to faith, while they were yet sinners Christ redeemed them, and "made them accepted in the beloved."

Read Ephesians 1.

That is love -- that God takes a sinner and turns his eyes from self to Christ for no other reason that it pleases Him to do so.

Congratulate yourself all you want on your clever choice to believe. As for me, I will praise the God of my salvation.

"Faithful is He that calleth you, who also will do it." -- 1 Thess. 5:24

[D-fendr]

God loves His children so much that "while they were yet sinners, Christ died for them."

Nice - if we ignore Calvin's Limited Atonement: God loves his children so much that he dooms some in the womb to eternal hell.

You "love" a God who capriciously torments your brothers and sisters in the womb. Why? Because he didn't doom and torment you as well?

Stockholm.

[1000 silverlings]

what if you stated "that is love--- that mary takes a sinner and turns his eyes from self to Christ for no other reason that it pleases Her to do so." Is that acceptable Catholic theology?