dr. e: “Rome says outside the Roman Catholic church, there is no salvation.”
MD: “False.”
Ten Facts Most Catholics Don’t Know (But Should!) (Catholic Caucus)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2549623/posts
7. There Is No Salvation Outside Of The Catholic Church – Originally stated by St. Cyprian, the Latin axiom “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” reminds us that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. This dogma was declared at the Fourth Lateran Council and is a source of confusion for Catholics and non-Catholics alike. According to the Catechism, all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body. It does not mean that non-Catholics cannot achieve salvation. Individuals who are unaware that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church may still achieve salvation through the merits of the Church, despite their lack of knowledge.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P29.HTM#2G6
“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
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And every Catholic I knew believed that there was no salvation outside the Catholic church, just as the church really does teach. Because, even for those who they claim are invincibly ignorant, the presumption is made that once they heard about it, they’d immediately join up with it.
THAT is false. It is also not equivalent to “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus”.
While I think you do not know what “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” means, even if it meant what you think it means, it would not disprove my allegation that the original statement was wrong.
Hint: there is only one Church.
Suggestion: if you want to know what Catholics teach about the Church, read Dominus Iesus.
In general, if you want to attack catholic teaching you'll save a great deal of your own precious time if you find out what it is BEFORE you attack it.
I'm sorry if this sounds, or is, condescending, but this is another case of your firmly asserting something easily shown to be untrue.
Yep. That's what they figure purgatory is for. All those who will be saved, but who have not yet joined Rome, will be "influenced" in purgatory to change their minds and kiss the pope's ring.
Magick requires a multitude of props.