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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Rome says outside the Roman Catholic church, there is no salvation.

False.

I'd say one indication of bigotry is the persistent misquoting of texts even after correction is offered repeatedly and the consistent misinterpretation of texts after other interpretations are provided again and again.

In general, if, despite the ready accessibility of the truth, someone persists in presenting false accounts, I would tend to conclude that that person's judgment is more important to him than the truth.

4,590 posted on 09/14/2010 10:47:37 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg

dr. e: “Rome says outside the Roman Catholic church, there is no salvation.”

MD: “False.”

Ten Facts Most Catholics Don’t Know (But Should!) (Catholic Caucus)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2549623/posts

7. There Is No Salvation Outside Of The Catholic Church – Originally stated by St. Cyprian, the Latin axiom “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” reminds us that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. This dogma was declared at the Fourth Lateran Council and is a source of confusion for Catholics and non-Catholics alike. According to the Catechism, all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body. It does not mean that non-Catholics cannot achieve salvation. Individuals who are unaware that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church may still achieve salvation through the merits of the Church, despite their lack of knowledge.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P29.HTM#2G6

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

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And every Catholic I knew believed that there was no salvation outside the Catholic church, just as the church really does teach. Because, even for those who they claim are invincibly ignorant, the presumption is made that once they heard about it, they’d immediately join up with it.


4,613 posted on 09/14/2010 11:46:55 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Do you REALLY insist

that the Vatican documents are NOT on all sides of that issue?


4,623 posted on 09/14/2010 12:06:58 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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