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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I do agree that Rome does states as you have written here....but I am not convinced all catholics have this extreme devotion to Mary that we see written in these books. Yes, it is beyond error in how she is depicted but in speaking with former Catholics and those current I have found many know of this but give it no great importance.

We see this similar lack of really believing... in that a church might have as their doctrine certain statements that many in the Christian/Protestant non-denominational congregations aren’t even aware fo let alone follow or put much weight in.

However, I am certainly stunned with what has been posted their literature ...and those who “sanctioned” it as allowable within the Catholic faith.


2,855 posted on 09/09/2010 11:50:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I agree entirely.


2,873 posted on 09/09/2010 12:12:02 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNATED: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics)
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To: caww; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Quix; Iscool
And, The Athanasian Creed (Quicumque vult) is a Christian statement of belief DATING FROM THE 5th/6th CENTURY AD, focusing on Trinitarian doctrine and Christology. The Latin name of the creed, Quicumque vult, is taken from the opening words "Whosoever wishes." The Athanasian Creed has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century AD. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated, and differs from the Nicene-Constantinopolitan and Apostles' Creeds in the inclusion of anathemas, or condemnations of those who disagree with the Creed



Athanasian Creed

Whoever wants to be saved should above all cling to the catholic faith.

Whoever does not guard it whole and inviolable will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith: We worship one God in trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the divine being.

For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Spirit is still another.

But the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coeternal in majesty.

What the Father is, the Son is, and so is the Holy Spirit.

Uncreated is the Father; uncreated is the Son; uncreated is the Spirit.

The Father is infinite; the Son is infinite; the Holy Spirit is infinite.

Eternal is the Father; eternal is the Son; eternal is the Spirit: And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal; as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited.

Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit: And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.

Thus the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God: And yet there are not three gods, but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord: And yet there are not three lords, but one Lord.

As Christian truth compels us to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten; the Son was neither made nor created, but was alone begotten of the Father; the Spirit was neither made nor created, but is proceeding from the Father and the Son.

Thus there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three spirits.

And in this Trinity, no one is before or after, greater or less than the other; but all three persons are in themselves, coeternal and coequal; and so we must worship the Trinity in unity and the one God in three persons.

Whoever wants to be saved should think thus about the Trinity.

It is necessary for eternal salvation that one also faithfully believe that our Lord Jesus Christ became flesh.

For this is the true faith that we believe and confess: That our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and man.

He is God, begotten before all worlds from the being of the Father, and he is man, born in the world from the being of his mother -- existing fully as God, and fully as man with a rational soul and a human body; equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity.

Although he is God and man, he is not divided, but is one Christ.

He is united because God has taken humanity into himself; he does not transform deity into humanity.

He is completely one in the unity of his person, without confusing his natures.

For as the rational soul and body are one person, so the one Christ is God and man.

He suffered death for our salvation. He descended into hell and rose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

At his coming all people shall rise bodily to give an account of their own deeds.

Those who have done good will enter eternal life, those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith.

One cannot be saved without believing this firmly and faithfully.

For your purpose, 1000 s -->NOTE clearly, this is a definition of the Trinity - a Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as defined by The Church and to which doctrine the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church has held true while all the heresies that deny this have died away as will yours.
2,935 posted on 09/09/2010 2:09:39 PM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
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To: caww
I certainly agree that there must be some Roman Catholics whose hearts are filled with Christ alone.

But Rome works to thwart that goal. All RCs are told they must believe in the RC catechism and in that catechism we find profound error regarding Mary...

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first moment of her conception (RC catechism 490-492.)

Mary lived a sinless life (RC catechism 411, 493.)

Mary is the mother of God (RC catechism 963, 971, 2677.)

Mary is the mother of the church (RC catechism 963, 975.)

Mary is the co-redeemer because she participated with Christ in the redeeming the entire world (RC catechism 618, 964, 968, 970.)

Mary was assumed bodily into heaven at her death (RC catechism 966, 974.)

Mary is the mediator to whom we can entrust all our worries and prayers (RC catechism 968-970, 2677.)

We should surrender ourselves wholly to Mary "at the hour of our death." (RC catechism 2677.)

Mary is Queen of heaven and earth (RC catechism 966, 971, 2675.)

These things a Roman Catholic MUST believe and some of them are complete idolatry. We're all sinners and we all grieve God daily. But this kind of blindness is almost incomprehensible to anyone with a Bible and the ability to read.

3,267 posted on 09/10/2010 1:00:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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