[wagglebee]

I commend you on your ability to cut and paste, but the fact still remains that the relationship between the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire was often quite violent (Google “Sack of Rome”).

[bkaycee]

And then again the relationship between the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire was often quite good.

Rome has held temporal power, more or less for over 1100 years.

I am certain it longs for the glory days when it exercised its will by force.