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To: wagglebee
And then again the relationship between the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire was often quite good.

Rome has held temporal power, more or less for over 1100 years.

I am certain it longs for the glory days when it exercised its will by force.

2,334 posted on 09/08/2010 11:12:20 AM PDT by bkaycee
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And then again the relationship between the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire was often quite good.

When? Please give specific time periods and not generalizations.

Rome has held temporal power, more or less for over 1100 years.

The papacy held considerable temporal pattern in western Europe for a several decades in the 12th and 13th centuries. Various popes may have tried to get it back after that, but they were unsuccessful (except at times within limited areas of Italy). Perhaps you should go back and read what you posted in 2307.

I am certain it longs for the glory days when it exercised its will by force.

And what makes you certain of this? And what is this "force" that you speak of? Various popes may have been able to command troops in parts of Italy, but that was about it. If the papacy truly had all the temporal power and access to force that you speak of WHY was the Orthodox Church able to leave in the 11th Century? WHY were popes PRISONERS of the kings of France for nearly a century? WHY were huge portions of Europe allowed to become Protestant a few hundred years later? Some of these claims really come across as comical in light of actually happened, it's a lot like listening to the left talk about Republicans.

Once everything else is stripped away, the Church is made up of people just like any other institution. What makes you think that modern popes want to live as popes did eight centuries ago?

Your statement is as absurd as me saying that Calvinists long for the day when they could burn heretics at the stake or soldiers long for the day when they could pillage cities and rape women. Anyone who believes these things is a fool.

2,350 posted on 09/08/2010 11:38:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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