To: kosta50; D-fendr
Yup, and he (omnipotent and omniscient deity) also allowed Satan to hijack his most beloved creation right under his nose so he can become man (a few thousand years later, just to be fashionably late), undergo self-imposed torture, and die only so he could pay Satan in his own blood as ransom to get his believed prized creation back (this is the theology of a Protestant I received not so long ago). Pagan to the core. Your description is of Rome and not Protestants who believe Christ paid the penalty for our sins to God and certainly not to Satan.
As the Westminster Confession of Faith reminds us in Chapter VIII (Of Christ the Mediator)...
V. The Lord Jesus, by His perfect obedience, and sacrifice of Himself, which He through the eternal Spirit, once offered up unto God, has fully satisfied the justice of His Father;[34] and purchased, not only reconciliation, but an everlasting inheritance in the kingdom of heaven, for those whom the Father has given unto Him.[35]
15,508 posted on
11/03/2010 5:23:50 PM PDT by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50; D-fendr; MarkBsnr
Protestants who believe Christ paid the penalty for our sins to God Since Christ is God try explaining why God who is perfection would penalize Himself to Himself?
The core of calvinism is that God made a mistake creating humans and satan and He needed to sacrifice Himself to Himself for reparation
15,510 posted on
11/03/2010 5:54:31 PM PDT by
stfassisi
((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
To: Dr. Eckleburg; smvoice; D-fendr
Your description is of Rome and not Protestants who believe Christ paid the penalty for our sins to God and certainly not to Satan smvoice is not Catholic as far as I know. In 1558 he denies it, but in 15414 he writes:
Satan had kidnapped man and made him a slave to sin and a subject of eternal death. That is how we were held ransom by him. God decided that through the atonement and the substitution of an innocent victim to take the place of the guilty kidnapped race He would free it from Satan, legally evicting him, and restoring man's dominion...Christ's death on our behalf paid our ransom in full, and Satan had no more claim on us
I am including smvocie on the ping list only out of courtesy since his/her screen name is being mentioned, but we are not communicating by his/her own decision.
As I said, Protestants believe many things. Your Westminnster Confession is a traditon of men, and many a Protestat does not subscribe to it.
15,530 posted on
11/03/2010 9:23:48 PM PDT by
kosta50
(God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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