To: kosta50
No, Mark, if he takes out sins then he is guilty of them (and that's not allowed). If he dies for them, then he is not guilty of them, but innocent, and the Bible clearly prohibits that! He has atoned for them. Interesting, the East versus West differences in whom the atonement is paid to...
15,370 posted on
11/01/2010 5:57:19 AM PDT by
MarkBsnr
(I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
To: MarkBsnr
He has atoned for them. Interesting, the East versus West differences in whom the atonement is paid to... God did not atone to satan or to himself. There is no atonement in the Gospels. It's a Pauline innovation.
15,382 posted on
11/01/2010 11:08:04 AM PDT by
kosta50
(God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
To: MarkBsnr
I want to explain the conflict here: Christ could not “take†our sins because then he would be guilty. That is incompatible with the belief that he died innocent of any wrongdoing. The Old Testament not only says that no one can “take” or be guilty of someon else’s sins (that the sons cannot be punished for their fathers’ sins, nor fathers for their sons’ sins), but that only the soul that sinneth shall die.
15,383 posted on
11/01/2010 11:16:57 AM PDT by
kosta50
(God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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