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To: editor-surveyor; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Dutchboy88; boatbums; metmom; caww
This all really misses the real point: Sanctification is not what saves us; justification is what does that

The point, which you apparently missed, is that Paul says one thing and Dr. E's Calvinist doctrine another. Paul says the sanctification is already an accomplished fact (grammatically expressed as such), not something you undergo throughout your life.

As far as your comment is concerned, what good is justification without sanctification? Both are needed for your 'salvation'.

15,365 posted on 10/31/2010 9:30:44 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; editor-surveyor; Forest Keeper; RnMomof7; Dutchboy88; boatbums; metmom; caww; ...
The point, which you apparently missed, is that Paul says one thing and Dr. E's Calvinist doctrine another. Paul says the sanctification is already an accomplished fact (grammatically expressed as such), not something you undergo throughout your life.

You continue to misunderstand Paul. Just because you say he says something does not mean he said it. In fact, quite often, the opposite is true.

And the Calvinist's view of sanctification is the orthodox, historic Christian understanding of the word -- men are elected by God from before the foundation of the world; justified by Christ on the cross; and sanctified over their entire lives by the Holy Spirit.

As far as your comment is concerned, what good is justification without sanctification? Both are needed for your 'salvation'.

Sanctification is the result of a person's justification. Paul understood this. It is Roman Catholics who get it wrong by fusing the two as indistinguishable. Strange that a self-professed agnostic like yourself would continually side with the Roman Catholics.

Again and again and again.

Like sanctification, this seems to be an ongoing occurrence.

15,373 posted on 11/01/2010 8:00:13 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Dutchboy88; boatbums; metmom; caww

> “The point, which you apparently missed, is that Paul says one thing and Dr. E’s Calvinist doctrine another.”

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No, that’s just the vain hope of a twisted mind.

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> “Paul says the sanctification is already an accomplished fact (grammatically expressed as such), not something you undergo throughout your life.”

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Which it is for God’s elect, since there is no way that God’s stated will for his elect can be subverted.

Don’t feel badly; spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The spiritually blind cannot see them.
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15,377 posted on 11/01/2010 9:04:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: kosta50; editor-surveyor; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; Dutchboy88; boatbums; metmom; caww
The point, which you apparently missed, is that Paul says one thing and Dr. E's Calvinist doctrine another. Paul says the sanctification is already an accomplished fact (grammatically expressed as such), not something you undergo throughout your life.

I do not expect you to understand this but...

1 Corinthians 1:2, "To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…

Here Paul is describing there is a relationship between positional sanctification and progressive sanctification,

The Greek root of the word sanctified and holy is the same word.. We are seen by God as holy and called to be holy

Through Christ we are positionally Holy, seen as being Holy in Christ..We are called to live out in our lives (progressively, what we already are positionally)

I am seen as holy by God, but it is not MY holiness that God sees, it is Christ.. The work of God in me leads me to grow in personal holiness as I live out the Christian life..

15,387 posted on 11/01/2010 1:52:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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