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To: Quix
Do you think that Lutherans and Anglicans are not a Church? I disagree.

And let me rephrase: CC, AVC, etc. are just sub-cults, not Churchs like the real ones among Protestants: Anglican, Methodist, Lutherans etc

The Holy Spirit has already demonstrated His persistent disapproval of all of those sub-cults by having the CC split into the AVC and so on, each of these cults dying out soon after the founders kick the bucket.
13,353 posted on 10/20/2010 5:36:24 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Cronos; boatbums
Do you think that Lutherans and Anglicans are not a Church? I disagree.

"Ecclesial Community" not church.

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH

FIFTH QUESTION
Why do the texts of the Council and those of the Magisterium since the Council not use the title of “Church” with regard to those Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century?

RESPONSE
According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery[19] cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense[20].

[19] Cf. Second Vatican Council, Decree Unitatis redintegratio, 22.3.
[20] Cf. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration Dominus Iesus, 17.2: AAS 92 [2000-II] 758.
Just so we're all on the same page.

Boatbums, does this qualify? :)

13,355 posted on 10/20/2010 5:51:56 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Cronos
Don't you find it odd that ACTUAL Protestants like Anglicans, Lutherans and Methodists are NEVER on these threads spouting various heretical beliefs.

I realize the Church speaks of separated brethren, but I think that we need to be very careful about what that means. Denial of the Divinity of Christ, denial of the Holy Trinity and denial that the Apostle Paul's epistles are Scripture are not simple misunderstandings, they are blatant heresies.

13,356 posted on 10/20/2010 6:01:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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