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To: RnMomof7; kosta50
Jesus taught from the OT, on the road to Emmaus Jesus opened the eyes of the apostles and taught them that all the old testament .

Interesting. Shall we see what actually transpired?

Luke 24:13 5 6 Now that very day two of them were going to a village seven miles from Jerusalem called Emmaus, 14 and they were conversing about all the things that had occurred. 15 And it happened that while they were conversing and debating, Jesus himself drew near and walked with them, 16 7 but their eyes were prevented from recognizing him. 17 He asked them, "What are you discussing as you walk along?" They stopped, looking downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, said to him in reply, "Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know of the things that have taken place there in these days?" 19 And he replied to them, "What sort of things?" They said to him, "The things that happened to Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 how our chief priests and rulers both handed him over to a sentence of death and crucified him. 21 But we were hoping that he would be the one to redeem Israel; and besides all this, it is now the third day since this took place. 22 Some women from our group, however, have astounded us: they were at the tomb early in the morning 23 and did not find his body; they came back and reported that they had indeed seen a vision of angels who announced that he was alive. 24 Then some of those with us went to the tomb and found things just as the women had described, but him they did not see."

25 And he said to them, "Oh, how foolish you are! How slow of heart to believe all that the prophets spoke! 26 Was it not necessary that the Messiah should suffer 8 these things and enter into his glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them what referred to him in all the scriptures. 28 As they approached the village to which they were going, he gave the impression that he was going on farther. 29 But they urged him, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening and the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them. 30 And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them. 31 With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight. 32 Then they said to each other, "Were not our hearts burning (within us) while he spoke to us on the way and opened the scriptures to us?" 33 So they set out at once and returned to Jerusalem where they found gathered together the eleven and those with them 34 who were saying, "The Lord has truly been raised and has appeared to Simon!"

It actually appears that there were only two of them and none of the Apostles were present. He taught the two that He met on the about all the OT that referred to Him. Not ALL the OT. The two did not have their eyes opened UNTIL Jesus broke the bread after they had gotten Him to stay at their house for the evening. He did tell them that His suffering was necessary, yes, of course.

So the apostles taught jesus from the Old Testament

Pardon?

but to say there was no New Testament would not be accurate.. the epistles were circulated among the churches to teach doctrine to those that had been saved

Which epistles? When were they written? When were they circulated? How many copies were made, and when? There was no Internet email. No printing press. Paul didn't begin writing until ca. 50 A.D., when Mark was working on his Gospel. How long did it take to send a letter? Weeks and months. When did somebody decide to copy it out and then send it? I think that you are thinking of those times in terms of modern technological communication miracles.

Peter advised the churches to listen to Paul, because Pauls writings were SCRIPTURE (the infallible word of God)

And when were those verses written?

So the New testament church had the witness of the OT and the doctrine and teachings of the New testament

I will ask my friend Kosta to chime in, but I don't believe that non-Jewish Christian converts, ie the Greeks, really emphasized the OT because it did not mean anything to them. The OT was not a part of their culture, education or understanding. They concentrated on the Good News of Christ. It was the Jewish converts that needed the OT attention.

11,733 posted on 10/15/2010 5:08:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Mark it is not honest not to present CLEARLY the entire scripture..

Luk 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luk 24:28 ¶ And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them.

Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Mark ALL of Scripture is written by prophets.. notice Christ called those that fail to se Christ in the OT (like the ark of the covenant)..FOOLS

RN mom=So the apostles taught jesus from the Old Testament
Mark=Pardon?

Mark have you ever read the Nt for yourself? If you have and not seen the Old Testament there Christ has said that one is a FOOL

The New Testament use of the Old Testament is an important issue within the study of the interpretation of the Bible and especially messianic prophecies concerning Jesus. "The fourth edition of the United Bible Societies' Greek Testament (1993) lists 343 Old Testament quotations in the New Testament, as well as no fewer than 2, 309 allusions and verbal parallels. The books most used are Psalms (79 quotations, 333 allusions), and Isaiah (66 quotations, 348 allusions). In the Book of Revelation, there are no formal quotations at all, but no fewer than 620 allusions." [1]
http://www.theopedia.com/New_Testament

RN=But to say there was no New Testament would not be accurate.. the epistles were circulated among the churches to teach doctrine to those that had been saved

Which epistles? When were they written? When were they circulated? How many copies were made, and when? There was no Internet email. No printing press.

Awww my friend.. those letters were the New churches inspired doctrinal teaching of CHRIST

In biblical days they were not without a sort of mail service.. a letter to one church would be taken from one church to another .. They were circulated by the will and design of God

The Romans had built a large road system to connect the empire, ( that was no coincident ) remember the words

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Gods timing is perfect !

RN=Peter advised the churches to listen to Paul, because Pauls writings were SCRIPTURE (the infallible word of God)

mark=And when were those verses written?

Irrelevant to the question at hand... Paul was the God ordained catechist of the New Testament church ...

2 Peter 3: 15And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

I will ask my friend Kosta to chime in

All the HUMAN knowledge of history will never save.. as we see in our friend it sometimes only leads to doubt and disbelief..

I do not take scripture lessons from agnostics or atheists or pagan or the lost..

11,822 posted on 10/16/2010 12:26:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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