Now Mom, you know they* rely on tradition and the fathers only when it supports their errors.
Let’s not forget the Council of Orange was wonderfully Evangelical and Predestinarian, contray to the modernist Pelagian stand that Rome now holds!
*FRoman Catholics.
I am waiting to find out how Catholics know if a tradition of men or of God?? So far crickets
THX for the ping.
Great job on this thread.
“”Let’s not forget the Council of Orange was wonderfully Evangelical and Predestinarian, contray to the modernist Pelagian stand that Rome now holds””
You really ought to read the final conclusion of the Council of Orange and Church fathers before Augustin before making such statements. Calvin picked and chose from a few canons and left out the conclusions
From The Council Of Orange...
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/history/council.orange.txt
According to the catholic faith we also believe that after
grace has been received through baptism, all baptized persons have the ability and responsibility,IF THEY DESIRE to labor faithfully, to perform with the aid and COOPERATION of Christ what is of essential importance in regard to the salvation of their soul. We not only DO NOT believe that any are foreordained to evil by the power of God, but even state with utter abhorrence that if there are those who want to believe so evil a thing, they are anathema. (Emphasis mine)
Without love faith can indeed exist, but can be of no avail- Saint Clement(De Trin. XV 18, 32).
“Those who are found not living as he taught should know that they are not really Christians, even if his teachings are on their lips, for he said that not those who merely profess but those who also do the works will be saved (cf. Matt. 13:42, 43; 7:15,16,19)” -ST Justin Martyr(The First Apology of Justin, ch.16).