To: kosta50
You make some good points, but we are talking about 754 AD, at which point the Franks were very much in control of large portions of western Europe. I think it is pretty well known that there was a major increase in military power in western Europe between the 4th and 8th centuries.
Are you aware of any of the Byzantine emperors EVER assuming the title of Pope?
10,997 posted on
10/13/2010 1:25:48 PM PDT by
wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
we are talking about 754 AD, at which point the Franks were very much in control of large portions of western Europe.It is my understanding that over the next few centuries as civilization enjoyed the medieval warming period, increased political stability, better roads, and whatnot, there was a rising class of traders who were not, strictly speaking 'noble' but nevertheless prominent and secure. It was the first flowering of a bourgeoisie which took an increasing role in controlling and directing society.
So one might say that first we had the Franks, and after them there were the Burghers.
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11,018 posted on
10/13/2010 2:05:52 PM PDT by
Mad Dawg
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To: wagglebee
Are you aware of any of the Byzantine emperors EVER assuming the title of Pope? No, God forbid. I would say most emperors would have seen that as a step-down.
11,075 posted on
10/13/2010 3:54:25 PM PDT by
kosta50
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