Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
So if it was a photograph or painting done in the realist style it wouldn't be an idol.
This just gets sillier. I really cannot believe anyone thinks like this.
What one believes is god in his heart does not mean it is god.. every pagan believed their statures were truly gods.. that did not make them gods.. what you choose to believe does not matter..what God believes does matter and he said he did not want false Gods before Him..
I would argue that the bread in Catholic communion is an idol of mans own making even though catholics think it is god..
Well you are finally getting close to answering the only relevant question:
What is the difference between an idol and an icon; what makes an idol an idol?
Hint: It’s not candles.
You are deflecting and not answering the initial contention. If you criticize the Catholic Church for not adhering literally to some parts of Exodus and Deuteronomy you have to explain why Calvinists do not adhere to all of the requirements of Old Testament law.
As for your citation of I Cor. 10:19-20 it can be misleading taken out the context in which it was written. It is a warning against things that would lead us away from Christ, not against those images or icons that lead us to Him.
The bible quite clearly states that the Holy Spirit is the only one that leads to Christ.
It is a reminder of the sacrifice made for us not unlike the Seder meal or the Mezuzah.
Ahhh but candles, flowers, kneelers etc are tips of the idol iceburg.. those are honors that only belong to God
In this way of “thinking,” Michelangelo was the greatest idolator of all time.
Your presumption that those icons and images are not inspired by the Holy Spirit is wrong. Those images you consider weird or offensive are not unlike hymns and prayers created for a preliterate population.
If one lights by candles, precisely how close can the candle be to the art without becoming idolatry?
Again, the only relevant question is: What is the difference between an idol and an icon; what makes an idol an idol?
Not at all, Protestantism is a New Testament church... we believe in salvation by Faith alone by grace alone , to the glory of God alone
But God is immutable, He still hates idolatry that is why one does not see idols in Protestant churches.
Show me some scripture where the HS gave out pictures or statues and said *this is the guy you want to look for”
Then why do they all look different?
well he worked for the pope
So what does a suitor give you on Valentines day? Does chocolate only belong to God also?
If you kneel when praying - assuming that's not automatically idolatrous - how far away must you be from any religious art or object, or Bible, for it not to be mistaken for an idol?
Again, the only relevant question is...
So did St. Mark.
Then why didn’t Mark refer to him as the Pope?
Think about how silly that question is for a moment.
thank you.
In fact in both the Mark and Peter epistles much is said of the work of the Holy Spirit and at no time did Mark ever think that Peter was to take the place of the Holy Spirit, as Christ's Vicar, here on earth. Nor did Peter. Or is this more Catholic theology-- the bible never mentions it, so it could be true?
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