Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Exd 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
Num 33:52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
Deu 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
Answering a question with a question. It's an old tactic, but still lame. You do realize that the way you split up the Decalogue is a tradition, don't you?And yes, all those are in the Catholic bible. We haven't truncated the Bible like some.
Also, do you realize that some Protestants divide the Decalogue as do the Catholics?
Sure, Luther and others inherited Romes/Augustines list without seeing a dire need to change it. Some prots also believed other roman inventions for a time as well, so?
The reformers primary purpose was to restore the Gospel of Grace thru Faith. Secondary and tertiary issues were just that.
Even though Rome does not include the wording on Idols in Exodus, Lev, Deut, etc... in the commandments, how does Rome justify displaying images of worship that were banned?
No not an idol, a historic sculpture ..nothing more.. no flowers, no kneelers, no candles.. no prayer to them or for them
LOL
Bingo .... it is troubling when one does not understand a historic likeness and an idol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thx.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Unless you have accepted that Christ fulfilled the Old testament making those things unnecessary you will have to explain to me why Calvinists don’t sacrifice animals to atone for their sins, why Calvinists aren’t required to keep a kosher diet and why there is no central Calvinist temple in which to perform carefully prescribed rituals in a land specially chosen for them?
Well, as you said earlier, God sees the heart. Let's let HIM decide if some are worshipping "historical sculptures."
REALLY? Someone should tell them. I think the buckets of rocks concession routinely does a fire-sale level of business.
Actually, thanks. I knew I was leaving at least one STATION OF THE STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKYS out . . .
18. GOLDEN BUCKET ICON TO THE UNDIVINE RIGHT OF THROWING ROCKS AT PRODDYS.
You shall have no other gods before me and & you shall not commit adultery, and then think of how many times God calls the Jewish idol worshippers, adulterers
just as one would be loth to show a picture of my husband and say it was theirs, one can not call a statue or icon "Mary or Jesus" because no one knows what they looked like.. were they black? some argue for that, were they Semitic ? Or were they european in appearance? What did their noses look like? their eyes.. one is not free to make images of men and call them holy .. Even the catholic crucifix is an idol.. it is not a true likeness of Christ or His crucification it comes from the mind of men
To kneel before them is to kneel before a false god ...
just as one would be loth to show a picture of my husband and say it was theirs, one can not call a statue or icon “Mary or Jesus” because no one knows what they looked like.. were they black? some argue for that, were they Semitic ? Or were they european in appearance? What did their noses look like? their eyes.. one is not free to make images of men and call them holy .. Even the catholic crucifix is an idol.. it is not a true likeness of Christ or His crucification it comes from the mind of men
To kneel before them is to kneel before a false god ...
Well an accurately put, imho.
Thx.
when God in His commandments forbids the worshipping of idols, or the creature, He says specifically not to bow down or prostrate yourself before it. He adds also, not to worship it in a manner unique to that idol. Looks like in the Catholic way of doing things, each idol has some kind of unique identity that goes with it.
This is interesting.. see from my perspective Catholics are an Old testament church... there are altars and a priesthood, sacrifices and salvation by works and law keeping. There is penance to atone for their own sin and purgatory if you do not get it right . There are dietary rituals connected with certain holidays
I would think that these scriptures fit right into Catholic doctrinally
I Cor. 10:19-20 says: “What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
INDEED.
IT IS ADULTERY OF THE HEART.
I’ve always found it curious that anyone would hang a model of an instrument of torture and death of their savior on their walls or wear a replication of it around their neck.
If they had a dear friend killed by a pistol would they have models and pictures of the pistol hanging over their bed? Or wear a little pistol carving on a chain?
Curious....
INDEED.
So much so, that the very rituals themselves become idolized and construed as "a means of grace" in and of themselves. More earning one's own salvation and/or place with God and/or benefits from God.
Every RELIGIOUS GROUP is in danger of and usually guilty of the same thing--thankfully most Proddy groups to a somewhat less intense degree but still quite deadly degree . . .
Many Pentecostal groups periodically try and adjust DEPENDENCIES ON RELIGIOUS RITUALS that evolve even in such groups as that.
Sometimes leaders half jokingly say: "OK, assume the position." . . . meaning hands held out, palms up, ready to receive from God. There's meaning in acting out a heart attitude of being ready and receptive for something from God direct to you as an individual.
However, God is NOT a vending machine . . . and no amount of hours standing or sitting 'assuming the position' is going to guarantee anything from God, whatsoever. God looks on the heart.
Brokenness and contrition before God count for a lot with God. NO AMOUNT OF RITUAL DOES AND even low levels of compulsive, addicted, idolatrous attention to ritual will incur various levels of God's wrath depending on the heart focus.
CERTAINLY doing something God says fiercely TO AVOID is a poor way to incur God's favor! DOH!
Of course, God is still incredibly merciful and I've known Him to do some surprising things because He found a sincere part of someone's heart even though they were going through some meaningless or worse kind of ritual.
yes, the story of Hosea and Gomer is a great parable of God’s love for His adulterous people
INDEED.
THX.
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