Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Quix]

Wagglebee:
They are threatened by the truth.
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Rabid clique absurdities
parade about again!

[annalex]

Jesus was present when the Jews asked Him to be cruucified and Barrabas pardoned, so no, mere presence is not what is intended there. Besides, St. Paul asserted that he is acting in the person of Christ at other times as well:

be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ (1 Cor. 4:16)

[RnMomof7]

I think it stems from the Roman Catholic view that sex is bad or dirty and Mary MUST have abstained.
Then add the goddess worship sycretism from the 4th century and you get all kinds of unscriptual speculation.

Exactly.. this doctrine flows from a primitive church that thought of sex as "d i r t y "or sinful

After Constantine, when priests were still allowed to marry, the Roman practice of abstaining from marital relations before a battle came into the church . Priests were ordered to abstain from intimacy with their wives the night before they celebrated Mass. Whether intended or not it sent the message that sex was not a gift of God, but unclean.

[Forest Keeper]

The reason I think that the church has taught that is that they do not like the idea of the birth canal of Mary involved in anything after the birth of Christ..it all goes back to the whole Jewish "clean and unclean " laws..

That could well be, although it would seem to pose a problem with God's good command to be fruitful and multiply. If one is so blessed I would think it would be a good and Godly thing to give birth. I've never really understood the logic behind the idea that Mary later having sex would be a defilement. Lev. 12:1-4 :

1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over.

I always thought that ceremonial uncleanliness had nothing necessarily to do with sin, it just meant that one had to wash (be purified) before one could partake in certain activities. Men were unclean for "having a discharge", but since God set it up that we procreate in this way I don't see how anyone can find something "wrong" with it. Babies are blessings FROM God, so why would some think that God would not want to further bless "Blessed Mary"? :)

One thing is certain.. even if that was true, or even if Mary became a prostitute after the birth..it has NOTHING to do with our salvation.

Amen. I take what I think is reasonable inference from the Bible that Mary did go on to have other children, but I would never question someone else's profession for not thinking so.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I'm pretty sure it's not the maniac from...

I live in the "upstate" of SC, it's freaking "Radio Eckleburg" around here.

[note to the RM: I don't think that last bit crosses the line, I certainly didn't intend it to.]

In this post and your last one you speak in derogatory terms about various people and then you wrap them all up in the very "personal" remark that they're all "freaking 'radio Eckleburg."

That is clearly "making it personal" and against the rules. You even seem to know that but you post it anyway.

If you don't want to break the rules, why not just stop referring to individual FReepers negatively and by name?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

8~)

[Legatus]

Well you’re not the maniac I was referring to, that should have been pretty obvious from the context. I meant the radio in my area is like your posts constantly, one slam against what I believe after another.

I actually thought you might take it as a compliment but I wasn’t sure if it was “good” personal or “bad” personal.

If someone wrote “It’s Air Legatus where I live” I’d like it.

[count-your-change]

You're really stretching. “mere” is not a word I used or implied in pointing out the definition of “prosopos”. That is simply an unsupported conclusion about others intentions despite their words.

Given Paul's words at 1 Cor. 1:12,13,
“Now this I say that every one of you saith I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is Christ divided was Paul crucified for you ? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?”,

it would seem that the word he used at 1 Cor. 4:16, “mimetes” (from which we draw the word “mimic”) would be better translated “imitator” rather than “follower”, a nuance missed in many translations, as per your quote from the Douay Version. It really says nothing about “acting in the person of Christ” unless you've invented some esoteric meaning for “as I also am”.

I really have to wonder where you come up with your ideas and conclusions since they seem so far removed from even the most basic investigation of the Scriptures.

Oh well, what do you have next?

[annalex]

A person who imitates another is in a very real sense acting in the person of another, rather than in the presence of another. You are making my point.

[count-your-change]

1 Cor. 4:16 says nothing about person or presence, remember your quote?

Unless you have something of substance to add........Good night.

[Judith Anne]

I thought that being “thin-skinned” on an open thread was disruptive.

Evidently, it depends on the skin.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"The Virgin [Mary] was given the title Queen of Heaven and is depicted wearing a blue robe decorated with stars and standing on a crescent Moon. This image is almost identical to pagan representations of the goddess of love Ishtar who was worshipped by the Babylonians."

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[Dr. Eckleburg]

I actually thought you might take it as a compliment --

(LEGATUS: "it's freaking 'Radio Eckleburg' around here.")

I can only question your judgment if you think that's a compliment.

If someone wrote “It’s Air Legatus where I live” I’d like it.

But that wasn't your remark. You wrote "freaking 'Radio Eckleburg.'"

"Freaking" is a compliment where you come from?

Just leave my name out of your trash talk and I'll do the same for you.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Natural Law]

Funny, I always picture as the other end of that horse.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol. So it wasn’t a total waste. 8~)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

That site referenced a photo that was taken by a Roman Catholic photographer of a Roman Catholic shrine to the Roman Catholic vision of Mary.

It's not my fault if Roman Catholic beliefs and artifacts turn up on New Age websites. Apparently they go hand-in-hand.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

There is NO commentary of the entire scriptures done by the magisterium (the official teachers of the church). NONE... Nada... The list you presented are critiques on methods of exegesis. They are NOT any official infallible commentaries

Yep. Just lots of conjecture about various traditions of men.

[count-your-change]

Nice depiction of a nimbus. Reckon it was to indicate divinity?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Nice...nimbus.

lol. Sounds like something you'd hear passing a construction site. 8~)

Reckon it was to indicate divinity?

Yep. One of several tells.