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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: editor-surveyor; Natural Law
His posts do have a definite “Bawney Fwank” flavor to them...

Really? REALLY? THAT'S where you're going?

Oh, and if you're going to suggest someone is gay perhaps the use of the word "flavor" is a mistake. Saying "This tastes gay" is a bad idea.

9,301 posted on 10/07/2010 1:29:18 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus

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The dog that yelps...
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9,302 posted on 10/07/2010 1:36:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: RnMomof7
The word blessed mean blessed ..not BLESSE---ED .

Yeah. OK, got it: there are not three Es in Blessed.

But we know from Calvin that blessed doesn't mean blessed here, it means "happy."

9,303 posted on 10/07/2010 1:44:04 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
Marks question concerned my statement concerning the pain and suffering of Jesus on the cross.

AND the statement that Christ was not yet with the Father.

AND according to Scripture.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

If you wish to quibble with "not yet with" and "not yet ascended to" quibble with someone else.

If you pay attention to the post in question you'll note that I said nothing concerning Trinity.

Perhaps not directly.


Not directly nor indirectly. I said nothing concerning the Trinity.

My statement was that the Catholic Church and mainstream Protestants have ALWAYS agreed on the Trinity and this is entirely true.

And I didn't take issue with that qualified statement.

As for your statement that Christians haven't always believed in the Trinity, I think it is more appropriate to say that Christians haven't always UNDERSTOOD the Trinity. Before the formulation, there was no rejection of it, it had simply not yet understood.

This is pure baloney. There was vigorous disagreement concerning the Trinity. What was the primary purpose of the Council Of Nicaea called by Constantine?

9,304 posted on 10/07/2010 1:46:06 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr
By declaring personal salvation before your death, before Christ Judges you, you attempt to gainsay Him and to anticipate His Judgement. Wrong. I cannot say that I am saved because He has not yet Judged me. It is His Judgement that matters, not any human.

How sad, to go to your death not knowing your final end.. Perhaps that is why I saw so many Catholics die in fear.. hanging onto their rosary, that will never save. And Protestants die so well ..

Mark I know my eternal fate. I faced death a couple years ago, with peace. I love this life, and my family, I love the earth God created.. I was not anxious to leave it all, but I knew if that was the time God ordained I would be in His arms

I am so sorry that you can not share that assurance.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

Mark those that choose to live by the law and not grace will be judged by the law

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

9,305 posted on 10/07/2010 1:47:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
We honor the BLESSER (God) , not the blessed

Considering Calvinist theology, when your foundational view of humanity is Totally Depraved, "human being" would be an honor.

9,306 posted on 10/07/2010 1:50:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: annalex
Rome doesn’t spin. We read what’s written.

LOL The proplem is it is not read in context.. that is why there is no official Roman biblical commentary

9,307 posted on 10/07/2010 1:51:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Are you assured you were born saved? Saved in the womb?


9,308 posted on 10/07/2010 1:52:23 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Natural Law
The dog that yelps...

Doesn't bite?
or
Is the one you hit?
or
Before it's been hit by the stone?

OR
the dog that yelps with craving
grows quiet while it chews its food

Or
tastes gay?

I don't know, you're the one who smeared Natural Law and used the word "flavor" when referring to Barney Frank. Not a wise choice when calling someone gay.

9,309 posted on 10/07/2010 1:53:43 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; ...
Do you know whether Mary remained a virgin or that she was bodily assumed into heaven? How?
9,310 posted on 10/07/2010 1:57:44 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Legatus

Are you really trying that hard to look like an idiot?

Bawney (the ‘Queen’ of congress) is known for his long winded dirges on subjects for which he has zero knowledge.
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9,311 posted on 10/07/2010 1:58:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
If you wish to quibble with "not yet with" and "not yet ascended to" quibble with someone else.

If that is what you meant fine. Those of us who accept the Trinity understand the He and the Father have always been One, His Ascension doesn't change that fact.

This is pure baloney. There was vigorous disagreement concerning the Trinity. What was the primary purpose of the Council Of Nicaea called by Constantine?

As I said, there has been debate since the formula was developed, but not before then.

9,312 posted on 10/07/2010 2:01:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; D-fendr; Natural Law
Do you know whether Mary remained a virgin or that she was bodily assumed into heaven? How?

Yes, I know because I believe what the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches. I am not tethered by the 16th century man-made invention of sola scriptura.

9,313 posted on 10/07/2010 2:04:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: editor-surveyor

Congratulations. Just when I thought the tone couldn’t go any lower..


9,314 posted on 10/07/2010 2:05:43 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MarkBsnr; editor-surveyor
ES=Those that are earning it will never find it; it is a gift, and can only be thankfully received, not for sale at any price.
MB=I find this silly statement at odds with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter and James. You may wish to try Matthew 25

This most likely deals with end time warnings

"Ver. 1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven,.... The Gospel church state either as it would be a little before the coming of the son of man to take vengeance on the Jews; or as it will be a little before his second coming to judgment: for the parable is manifestly connected with, and refers to the preceding chapter, which chiefly treats of Jerusalem's destruction: but though the Jews were in great security before their utter ruin, yet it does not appear that the Christian church was then in such a lukewarm, drowsy, and sleepy condition, as this parable represents; and since, in the latter part of the preceding chapter, there are some hints of Christ's second and last coming; when the servant found doing his Lord's will, will be greatly honoured, and the wicked, cruel, and licentious servant will be severely punished; and since, at the close of this and the following parable, there is a very lively description given of the last judgment; as also, because it appears elsewhere, that such will be the formal, lukewarm, cold, indifferent, secure, and sleepy state of the church, before the second coming of Christ: it seems right and best to understand this parable, and the following, as having respect to that: and that the design of it is to show, what will be the case of professors at that time; the difference between nominal and real Christians; how far persons may go in a profession of religion, and yet, at last, be shut out of heaven: as also the suddenness of Christ's coming; the necessity of being ready for it; and how watchful the saints should be, that they be not surprised with it. Now some time before this, the Gospel church state, or the body of professing Christians, will be likened unto ten virgins; to "virgins" for quality; being betrothed ones to Christ, at least in profession; and because of the singleness of their love, and chaste adherence to him, however, as they will declare, and which, in some of them, will be fact; and for their beauty, comeliness, and gay attire, being, as they will profess, clothed with the righteousness of Christ;
Gill commentary

9,315 posted on 10/07/2010 2:06:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law
Maybe its just a regional colloquialism, but around here "t'aint" is an anatomical reference that we probably don't want to discuss in this forum.

I'd call you a pig but this innocent old man had the same thought. :-)

9,316 posted on 10/07/2010 2:07:35 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: MarkBsnr
Actually, yes it does. At the moment of your death, will you believe in God? You cannot say that until then. And if you go back to the Greek, the word is condemned, not judged, I believe. I will ask Kosta to confirm. And if belief is required, then the process of purgatory will set in according the Judgement of deeds.

Scripture promises that the elect will not be deceived, and He will keep them secure

Point us at the purgatory scripture?

9,317 posted on 10/07/2010 2:09:03 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

And if you are deceived, turns out you weren’t elect to begin with.

Nice circle.


9,318 posted on 10/07/2010 2:11:22 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: stfassisi
Yes, reams of paper have been expended on the subject and I'm sure more will, however....The gold standard of our understanding is not the windy commentaries of Targums and rebs or the conjectures of Popes:

“Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus, 1950: “We must remember especially that since the 2nd century, the Virgin Mary has been presented by the holy Fathers as the New Eve,......”

but the inspired apostles like Paul who wrote who that seed actually was in Galatians, Christ, and those who received adoption as heirs.

Where is Mary in all of this? Queen of Heaven, Redeemer, on a throne in heaven, spiritual mother, on and on endlessly?

Not there beyond what the Scriptures actually say of her.

9,319 posted on 10/07/2010 2:15:49 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; MarkBsnr
As I said, there has been debate since the formula was developed, but not before then.

And, as I have said, this is pure baloney.

You chose not to answer why Constantine called The Council Of Nicaea. Why?

9,320 posted on 10/07/2010 2:23:07 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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