Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
2. Since I did not claim "presence" and "person" are synonymous it is not up to me to defend the premise. Pay attention and read for meaning.
Not sure what you mean - can you elaborate?
No! I am not your baby sitter.
And then the spin begins.
Except in the RSV Catholic Edition which you so highly recommended.
Mark Jesus walked on this sin filled earth for 33 years.. He ate with sinners, in fact He said he did not come for the righteous, but for sinners.. Catholics believe that they eat the actual flesh of Christ at communion, are they sinless? The church fathers were not in agreement on the "sinlessness" of Mary and to imply so is misleading.. There is not reference to Mary being born without sin by any apostle or scripture writer. Jesus Himself said this
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
He never said that about His mother, in fact He made clear that those that believe in Him have the same position as His mother
The Ark carried God. You might want to head on back to the OT and read up on the Ark.
Ohhh Mark, the ark was a type of Christ .. only Catholics could take what was to prefigure Christ and make it about Mary
"The ark of the Covenant was a picture of Jesus Christ. The Acacia wood speaks of the indestructible humanity of Jesus. He was 100% man. God Himself became flesh and suffered the agonies of the human experience. He was tempted, He was weary, He thirsted, He had to learn the Scriptures and learn obedience and to hear God's voice and be led by the Spirit as a man. Not only does the Acacia wood tell us that He was 100% man but the pure gold that overlayed the wood teaches us that He was 100% God. Jesus said "unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins." He used the same words (Heb. eheyay asher aheyay) as when the Lord spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Jewish Messiah was none other than Jehovah Himself visiting His people and becoming their savior by dying for the sins of the world and that is the etymology of the name Jesus (Heb. Y'shua 'Yaweh has become salvation'). Jesus condemned the religious leaders for not recognizing "the day of their visitation."
The crown of gold around the top of the ark speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus overcame the onslaught of opposition that was set against Him His whole life by the religious leaders, the wealthy Jewish aristocracy, Rome itself, and even all the power of the enemy. He overcame even death itself and rose triumphantly and was given a crown, and glory, and honor, because He is the King. According to John it was Jesus who Isaiah saw seated on the throne of glory with the angels crying 'holy, holy, holy.'
The unbroken tables of stone set forth Jesus as the One who perfectly kept the Law and never broke God's Commandments. The Bible says that He "committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth." Jesus felt the pressure of temptation at its full intensity yet he never sinned. Even the look in His eye and the tone of His voice reflected the very perfections of the holiness of God Himself. Aaron's rod that budded also speaks of Jesus. Something that had died and supernaturally came to life again. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life." The golden pot of manna speaks of Jesus as the bread of life who came down from heaven to bring food, the Word of God, to a world in darkness and dying of hunger.
It all points to Jesus. Even the golden poles speak of the ever living and ever present Savior who is with us in all our journeying and will never leave us nor forsake us. If you were to examine the history of the ark there would be striking resemblances to the ministry of Jesus our Lord:
The ark went before the people - Jesus went before them:
John 10:4 "And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. The ark was in the middle of God's people - Jesus is in His people: John 14:20 "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. The people were to follow the ark - We are to follow Jesus:
Luke 5:27-28 After these things He went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, "Follow Me." So he left all, rose up, and followed Him. And on and on, the ark was always first to lead them. It was death to those that were enemies of God. The ark brought blessings and curses.
Isa 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
1 Pet 2:22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Jn 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
The ark was representative of the real ark in heaven.
he Mercy Seat was the lid or cover of solid gold on the ark. 'The Mercy Seat' (Ex 25:17-22) Ps 99:1 The LORD reigns; let the peoples tremble! He dwells between the cherubim; let the earth be moved!
After the children of Israel had journeyed to Mount Sinai God told Moses on the mountain that He would pitch His tent among them on their journeys:
Exod 25:8-9 "And let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them. According to all that I show you, that is, the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all its furnishings, just so you shall make it."
The Greek word for Mercy Seat is 'hilasterion'. It is used here in Romans 3:25 where Paul says (literally) that God presented Christ as a propitiation or 'mercy seat'. This means that Jesus Christ is the mercy seat.
The Mercy Seat did not derive its worth from the purity of its gold but from the fact that it was the place where the blood of sacrifice was sprinkled in the presence of Yahweh.
The word for "mercy seat" is the same root for the word "atonement". It means to cover, cancel, appease, or cleanse.
The Greek equivalent is the word "propitiation".
Mark the Catholic church has made a humble girl a goddess ..looking for types of her and not looking to Christ..
Look to Christ !
The Douay Rheims is a faithful translation of the mis-translations in the Latin Vulgate.
And the many millions of Catholics who voted for the "Pro Choice" candidates?
You act as if millions of Protestants don’t vote for pro-abortion candidates.
How do you define spin and how are your own postings by that definition not spin?
I am not aware of you suggesting otherwise. My question was because one of your "knowledgeable" compatriots thought I had a "unique theology" when I said essentially the same thing.
What exactly are your qualifications to present yourself as an expert witness with respect to Latin or any of the ancient languages upon which modern Catholic and Protestant dogma is based?
Do you have a link? I don't know why ANY Catholic would describe the belief that Jesus Christ suffered, died, rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven as "unique theology." Catholics regularly confess this in both the Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed.
Not true. I simply responded to a diatribe concerning those "evil" Protestan baby killers and the millions of deaths they were responsible for.
The sin is equally shared and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
A non sequitur.
“Translate honestly what is is written” by whom? Paul? Then what did he write that can be honestly translated? He wrote in Greek, “prosopos”, which literally means, “face”.
What does “in the face of Christ” mean? So they looked at how the word was used by Greeks and realized “prosopos”, “face”, meant in front of the person, the individual named was there in person, witnessing the event. for that reason the translators of works like the AV did not translate “prosopos as “face”.
But what they translate has become archaic in use and a word better giving the meaning of “prosopos” is called for, “presence”.
I gave you a similar example in the word “shambles” which is how the Av translates Paul's “makello”. Yes, but what is a shambles? a wreck? devastation? Should a modern day translator or reader simply accept that which is written?
No! in all cases since “makello”, “shambles”, simply means a butcher shop, a meat market to most of us. (1 Cor. 10:25)
And in neither case is it theology but linguistics and the changing use of English words.
“Today, especially, there is ample apparatus available for the curious reader on the Internet.”
And on the Internet you will scholarly sources quoted like Thayer’s Lexicon (and others) as well Strong's Concordance, both of which I pointed out to you.
” On this issue, for example, one should ask: how did the readers of the passage in the early Church understand it, — did they think St.Paul decides to forgive by himself and calls on Christ to witness it (”in the presence of Christ”), or did they think that St. Paul acts on authority of Christ as if Christ Himself is doing it (”in the person of Christ”? Which interpretation would better agree with other scripture, the relevant scripture being, of course, John 20:21-23?”
Quite so and how do know what meaning was attached to the word “prosopos”, “face” except by the context in which it was used by those early Greek speakers and writers.
An example is Luke's use of “prosopoy” at Acts 5:41 where it is translated as “presence” (AV)
How would Paul's readers and listeners understand the word, “prosopos” when he used it? First literally as “face” but in the context as “presence”.
To take an everyday example in another language of the same practice, “vaya con dios” literally means, “Go with God”, but when used in context of a farewell is usually translated “goodbye” or something similar.
John 20:23.” Whose soever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain they are retained”.
In 2 Cor. 2:10 Paul was not discussing or referring to his authority to forgive sins but was referring to the Corinthians forgiving a man ousted for immorality who then repents and is accepted back into the congregation. Paul will follow their lead, since they have forgiven him Paul will too.
And why does Paul do this? “..for your sakes” in Christ's presence, face, Christ being there in person.
I fully agree. My only point was that when a denomination declares that such immorality is no longer immoral, they make matters worse.
black masses are apparently said in Latin backwards. Malachi Martin wrote books about it happening in the Catholic church. Then he was found deaded
I personally know somebody who knows somebody who knows all there is to know about everything.
yes, and after that let the wise one define the term *anti-Protestant*.
But using an analogy, there's not likely to be one defined, as we all know from recent history that blacks can't be racists.
Thankfully we have the benefit of thousands of manuscripts that simply were not available when the Latin Vulgate and Douay Version were produced.
And apparently the Catholic Church doesn’t really consider “she” at Gen. 3:15 a mistranslation just an explanation. spin. But faithful spin.
lol
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