Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
With all due respect to you, I disagree.
Actually, I do understand the difference. I just needed to read it correctly, which I didn't. Sometimes I read too fast.
Actually, there’s nothing that states that Jesus needed to be carried (to term) in a sinless person.
God doesn’t have to have a sinless container to carry Him. He can come in contact with sinful beings and still remain free from sin Himself. Otherwise, the Holy Spirit would not be able to come and live within us, our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Can Catholics ever make up their minds? Or is it too much fun arguing both sides against the middle?
LOL! Not everything is dogmatized.
Why was it necessary for Mary to have been sinless to conceive and carry Jesus?
The sin nature comes through the father. Physical contact with sinful people does not nor did not contaminate Jesus, otherwise He could not have touched sinners while here on earth.
His holiness is so powerful that sin can’t contaminate or over come it. It overcomes sin.
And what the heck does that have to do with the Trinity?
I have a recipe for skunk shampoo that my sister used on her dog when he got nailed.
She said it was very effective, if you’re interested.
Do either of you have a mirror? Because these words of yours do not sound like the love your neighbor type. Since I got lumped in with the "Reformed" crowd - yes, I admit I'm a OSAS (GASP!!!)- let me proclaim that I love others and treat them the way I would want to be. I try very, very hard to even love people the way Christ loves them. I do not sneer at unbelievers, I do not curse them or try to belittle them, I do not boast of my perfection because however much good I might have within me, it is all from the grace of God and not a drop is self-fabricated.
We "Protestants", "Reformers" or whatever else label you prefer do not impose our will upon God for their own salvation and that statement itself makes no sense whatsoever. I am pretty sure, after all these posts, that you really don't believe it's true either but are trying to make a point.
As we near 9000+ posts on a thread with dubious beginnings, why don't we close up shop and start over on a more civil one. This one has only become a chopping block for one against another of those who both claim to be "ones of Christ's". Can we no longer act that way or have all the bridges been burned?
You express reasonable sentiments.
However, I persistently relate to folks
AS I’D LIKE TO BE RELATED TO
. . . genuinely . . .
. . . all my posts considered . . .
And you know how much I’m castigated! LOL.
I don’t think some RC’s can wrap their Rosaries or understanding around such an assertion without choking on them.
I like long threads . . . what a tableau of the human drama they represent.
They wander all over the countryside like life does.
And, sooner or later . . . most folks display their priorities, values and multiple faces.
Maybe we could call it truth serum by thread length. LOL.
I’m very sorry your cat died. I hope your kids are taking it well. I pray the Lord will comfort and console y’all. These critters latch unto our hearts and losing one is like losing a part of our own family.
I behold a smoking ruin.
There will never be civility in the Religion Forum. Someone will always say something shockingly inane and then it's "Annie get your gun", "Katie bar the door" and "Cletus hold my beer and watch this".
You wanna know why this thread is the state it's in? Go look at post 64, then 80, 85, 91 and then it just explodes. That's not to say that after the opening shots Catholic didn't provoke further madness. The bottom line remains: there are people who appear to be convinced that Catholicism is totally demonic and they will never miss an opportunity to drive that opinion down the throat of the nearest Catholic.
So, every thread, that is not a caucus thread is capable of turning into one of these mega sado-evangelism threads at the drop of a hat. When this one finally dies the next one will erupt within hours and the same people will be saying the same things in the same manner. A Catholic may start the next one, who knows. The fact remains, nobody is willing to say: This time, just once, nobody dies today.
PYRO 74: Since at least the time of the Council of Ephesus, which took place in the 5th century.
Where's the proof of that?
There were three Councils of Ephesus, and only the first one mentioned Mary, and that only peripherally in relation to Nestorianism.
NOTHING about Mary being sinless or assumed bodily into heaven.
The three older kids were/are pretty much shattered, but really we had that cat longer than we've had children. Five times a day for six months my wife or/and I ran a tube down his throat to his stomach and syringe fed him when he was a kitten. He slept every night on my wife's pillows and almost every time I sat on the couch he jumped on me... for 12 years. So yeah, the kids can get in line behind us.
The Assistant Cat, who is just not ready for promotion to Chief, has been wondering around confused for two days. If he doesn't snap out of it soon he's gonna lose his membership in the Cat Union.
Some don't like to be challenged in their beliefs and take each challenge as an attack, others can't or won't defend what they say because they haven't ever really given their beliefs deep examination and think sarcastic repartee’ is the same thing as defence.
And others are just arrogant, too arrogant to ever admit their views might be mistaken no matter how much stands against their opinion in evidence of experience so they insult or ridicule as if that proves the other person wrong and themselves right.
Mix all that with a generous dose of self righteousness and the one upsmanship game never ends.
Exactly. They rely on people not knowing Latin, but who cares about Latin? Utilizing Latin hasn't done Rome any good. Rome still preaches another Gospel...in any language.
And further, when their beliefs and practices contradict the word of God, they blame the translation. They did the same thing with Ratzinger's "global authority" encyclical and Ratzinger's letter to the bishops during the sex abuse scandal.
Maybe sign language would help. Or a note pad and a box of crayons.
Rome wants everyone to think the Bible is difficult and confusing and contradictory. But the truth found in Scripture can be understood by a child...IN ANY LANGUAGE (Pinging a few saints to a great website.)
"Ne crains pas, crois seulement." -- Marc 5:36 "Fürchte dich nicht, glaube nur!" -- Markus 5:36 "No temas; sólo cree." -- Marcos 5:36 Etc. Etc. Etc."Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
AMEN!
GREAT question.
And still no answer.
What an astounding admission of ignorance.
I doubt there's even one Protestant on these threads who would ever say "Being an anti-Protestant makes someone a bigot, not a Christian."
It's inconceivable. You have your opinions and we have ours. But that difference does not equal bigotry.
Your comment is exactly what liberals do -- trash not only the opposing idea, but the person holding that idea and then try to shout down that idea and prevent it from even being spoken.
Gamecock, I think we have another winner for your homepage.
"Being an anti-Catholic makes someone a bigot, not a Christian."
No wonder a majority of Roman Catholics voted for Obama. They think like him.
There are hundreds on this forum and dozens on this thread who are anti-Mary as sinless co-redeemer, anti-transubstantiation, anti-"alter Christus," anti-papacy, anti-magisterium; anti-Apocrypha, anti-baptismal regeneration, anti-confessional booth, anti-indulgences, anti-purgatory, anti-limbo, etc., who are indeed, Christian.
Thank God. Semper Reformanda.
And thus explains the confused nature of Roman Catholic human sexuality.
Christ was carried in a human womb. He received His humanity, warts and all, from His mother.
While Christ was sinless, there is no necessity for His mother to be sinless.
Unless He was the product of two gods mating which reveals just how close Rome is to pagan mythology.
ROTFLOL.
GREAT POST! I hope everyone gets a chance to read it.
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