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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
You owe them nothing! If they don't accept you at your word simply forget them.
You could have simply said “That statement is false. It won’t become true by repeating it.”
Do you dispute any of the examples given there? No. Instead you jump on in #702 "Would you care to dissect and disassemble my healing? Anointing and prayer one evening, rose up and walked the next day... "Do YOU, Old Reggie, Unitarian, have any proof likewise for Benny Hinn or Peter Popoff's "healings""? THAT is what the topic was about -- if you do not, then, as roamer said "put up or shut up as they say"
Unitarian emphasis on the exercise of human reason caused Unitarians to cease to regard the Bible as the ultimate authority in matters of faith. In the 19th century the Universalist church was the first to ordain women. The American Unitarian Association was organized in Boston in May of 1825 and met annually in Boston until the merger with the Universalist Church of America in 1961.Woooaaah, what a load of nothing! But, I'm ok with Unitarians living as they like -- since they do not say they are Christians, let them live their own lives and religion. What is irritating is Unitarians starting to argue basic tenets of Christianity when they deny the fundamental basis of Christianity -- namely that Christ was / is / will be God.
They reject the Biblical and historic person of Christ, do not believe that His sacrifice on the Cross had any validity, and believe that all men will see God if God can be seen (whether they like it or not). The Unitarian Universalist website states (uua.org):"Some Unitarian Universalists are nontheists and do not find language about God useful. The faith of other Unitarian Universalists in God may be profound, though among these, too, talk of God may be restrained. Why? The word God is much abused. Far too often, the word seems to refer to a kind of granddaddy in the sky or a super magician. To avoid confusion, many Unitarian Universalists are more apt to speak of "reverence for life" (in the words of Albert Schweitzer, a Unitarian), the spirit of love or truth, the holy, or the gracious. Many also prefer such language because it is inclusive; it is used with integrity by theist and nontheist members. Whatever our theological persuasion, Unitarian Universalists generally agree that the fruits of religious belief matter more than beliefs about religion-even about God. So we usually speak more of the fruits: gratitude for blessings, worthy aspirations, the renewal of hope, and service on behalf of justice."
"We do not, however, hold the Bible-or any other account of human experience-to be either an infallible guide or the exclusive source of truth. Much biblical material is mythical or legendary. Not that it should be discarded for that reason! Rather, it should be treasured for what it is. We believe that we should read the Bible as we read other books (or the newspaper) - with imagination and a critical eye."Woo
Wheelchair-boy 'miraculously walks again' at memorial visit to tomb of Pope John Paul II
A child crippled by a kidney tumour was able to walk again after praying at the tomb of Pope John Paul II on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the late pontiff's death, it was claimed last night.
The nine-year-old Polish boy was brought to St Peter's Basilica on a pilgrimage to the grave of the Polish pope who died on April 2 2005.
Last night Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the former private secretary of Pope John Paul, said that after praying at the tomb in the crypt of the Rome basilica he 'suddenly' started walking again.
'He was brought in a wheelchair because he wasn't able to walk,' the cardinal said. As soon as the boy emerged from the basilica, he told his parents: ''I want to walk.' He got up and started walking, healthy,' the prelate said.
He said the boy is from Gdansk, the Polish seaport known as the birthplace of the Solidarity movement which helped bring down decades of Communist rule in John Paul's homeland in the late 1980s.
If investigations reveal that there are no scientific explanations for the child's recovery, the healing may be put forward as the miracle needed to declare John Paul II 'blessed'. A second miracle will be required to declare him a saint.
You are on the right track but not completely correct.
It is impossible to throw a blanket over the beliefs of individual Unitarians.
They are an odd lot and among them you may find "orthox" conservative Christians and Atheists. In my congregation there are Protestants, Jews, Catholics and assorted "others".
Quite possibly that is one of the reasons why I put the "arrogant stupidity" label on one who claims to know what I must believe.
INDEED . . . . though I think there are a LOT who are a LOT WORSE in such deeds within the RC structure.
Absolute proof of most anything is available to no one, at least not as we understand the words “absolute proof.” However, persuasive testimony is something that I would seek from the Church, as Jesus gives considerable authority to the Church.
INDEED.
There’s not a convincing shred of evidence that the Vatican/RCC existed before 300-400 AD.
And while Christ DID give tons of authority to HIS UNIVERSAL BODY OF ALL BELIEVERS SPREAD ACROSS ALL REMOTELY AUTHENTIC CHRISTIAN GROUPS,
HE CERTAINLY DID
NOT
DO SO TO THE VATICAN STRUCTURE.
accusations of malicious intent, superstition, mindlessness, etc.
GOODNESS; OH MY!
THOSE do NOT sound like fruits of Holy Spirit within one’s being!
If this one be a Universal Unitarian what are the beliefs of the associates who champion this ones position?
Since the aforementioned denomination isn't considered Christian are all the devotees secular humanists agnostic types? This would make sense given the demonic type cartoons and demonic statements made throughout the course of this entire campaign.
We know all about the devotee of the Semple one and the apparent racist comments made in a previous post but what are we to make of the affection for the Semple one? Necrophilia reeking with concupiscence could be the denouement solving the quandary.
The associates would do well to trust in the Jesus who is “I AM “ and disabuse themselves of the secular humanistic agnostic nonsense.
We can now possibly brand the associates for what they apparently believe unless explicit refutations are rendered . Love Jesus and excise the things of Satan.
ABSOLUTELY, INDEED:
Magnanimous of you, but you’ll be called a liar until the cows come home, no matter how much proof you have to offer of healing.
People who don’t want to believe it won’t, no matter how much proof is offered.
Luke 16:19-31
19”There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22”The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25”But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27”He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29”Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30” ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31”He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
LOL.
THX FOR THE GIF!
So Catholics such as yourself believe Mary is a Mediator between man and God? That is incorrect. There is “...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”.
Why would you believe otherwise?
INDEED TO THE MAX.
Please be careful. There are a few on this forum, some who will follow from thread to thread with the sole intention to harass, who are quick to pin the label of “liar” on you and will not be satisfied with any level of proof.
You owe them nothing! If they don’t accept you at your word simply forget them.
INDEED . . . and their virulence recently appears to have reached some level of fusionable critical mass.
Dramatic implosions may occur at any time.
Besides that, many of them appear to be dangrously nasty in heart and intent.
I’m not sure I’d trust them with outhouse cleaning on the lower 40 acres.
Do you believe in Popoff's powers?EXAMPLE: This is one of the most common healing techniques and is used by many, many faith healers. One of the best known examples is Peter Popoff, who used a few trusted collegues to scout for healing candidates among the crowds that came to his healing services. Popoff's scouts always asked people in wheelchairs if they could walk a little or not at all. Any that could walk a little were called up to the front for 'healing' during the subsequent service. The technique was exposed by skeptic James Randi who placed actors in the audience to claim that they had disabilities. Randi's actors were interviewed by Popoff's scouts, and the information transmitted to Popoff via a radio transmitter. Randi intercepted and recorded the transmissions, which fed Popoff information on various audience members, including which of them would make good 'healing' candidates.
Unitarian emphasis on the exercise of human reason caused Unitarians to cease to regard the Bible as the ultimate authority in matters of faith. In the 19th century the Universalist church was the first to ordain women. The American Unitarian Association was organized in Boston in May of 1825 and met annually in Boston until the merger with the Universalist Church of America in 1961.
Even Cardinal Dziwisz, who may be more invested in the declaration of JPII as a saint than anyone else alive, can't independently declare whatever happened with the boy in the wheelchair as a miracle. He may say it's miraculous because he doesn't have an explanation for it, but he'll call in the medics and ask them to debunk it... and he'll accept their judgment. According to the wiki article (I cringe every time I use wiki as an authority on anything): Recently, however, some ecclesiastical authorities have expressed concern that the cure of Sister Marie-Simon-Pierre (and the cure of the boy who had cancer) may not be complete and lasting, as it has not been that long since the supposed miracles; and some of these individuals also think there is still a chance that the Sister's Parkinson's symptoms were actually psychogenic, which would not count as a miracle if they permanently disappeared. Ecclesiastical authorities questioning the authenticity of claimed miraculous healings... At least they're not paying people off to deny they were healed this time around.
Now seriously, does this sound anything like a faith healer sticking his fingers in a person's ear and shouting "say baby, IT'S A MIRACLE"?
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