Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I have often been accused, and I know when I have - and have not - visited those sites. The Catholics' inability (or is it unwillingness?) to substantiate their accusations, either publicly or via Freepmail, certainly have helped characterize things for me.
What worries you about NL reading those sites? After all, they are only banned from being posted here. Evidently, they're perfectly fine for anyone to read. The stylistic writing is very easy to identify, and once suspected, remarkably easy to confirm.
Worried, but not surprised. I'm guessing you've spent a lot of time at those banned sites.
So what? It's a good idea to know what falsehoods are out there on the internet. Or would the so-called reformers prefer we not know what the banned sites are saying? Evidently, it's perfectly fine, even laudatory among themselves, for Reformers to read them.
When the accusations are publicly substantiated, the RM removes them. When privately substantiated, meaningless.
My apology RM, this is just a courtesy ping because I mentioned you in my post
The mutual excommunications between the Bishop of (Old) Rome and New Rome (Constantinople) was in 1054 (11th century), only to be officially revoked in 1964 and "committed to oblivion."
But you are spot on about the Church (East and West) believing in Mar´s bodily assumption pretty early on the Church history.
The difference is that the Latin Church does not explicitly say Mary died, and probably for a reason, but the East never questions that she did die (hence Dormition, asleep in the Lord as the Orthodox say).
Dr. E is correct only insofar as to the fact that the Assuumption of Mary became an official dogma in, I believe, in 1952, which doesn´t mean it is what the Church believed or held to be true.
As you know, defining something as truth does not mean that it was previously false.
The Church didn't define the Holy Trinity until some time after the Resurrection; however, the Trinity has ALWAYS existed.
I think the debate on pagan influences would have to center around the differences in the view of God.
Also, that a term, phrase or even sentence is used on Chick.com or in a Chick publication does not mean that term, phrase or sentence is exclusive to Chick. For instance, if Chick.com quotes a Bible verse it does not taint that verse from being quoted on Free Republic. If Chick.com uses the term "priestcraft" it doesn't mean that term is therefore disallowed here.
If you believe Chick.com has been quoted without proper attribution that may be a copyright issue as well as a banned site issue. If that happens, let me know by FREEPMAIL giving the post number and url so that I can investigate.
I was lead to the objectionable sites by simply googling some phrases from posts found here on the religion forum. Some sites are justifiably banned because their content is objectionable, offensive, and false. The ban, however, is of little consequence or relevance when that same objectionable, offensive, and false content is plastered here unattributed to the offensive sites. Its not unlike seeing obvious lies and being unable to actually call them lies. We just need to wink and work around it.
Surprise, surprise... no reply. That figures
How can someone do something "in the person of Christ" and not be an alter Christus?
In view of the accepted meaning of the term “doctrine”, your statement, “It’s a measure of having doctrine. Pagans didn’t.”, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. None.
How do you understand “doctrine”? Communists have it — but they’re post-Christian and have heard of the ideas of orthodoxy and heresy and applied them to their “philosophy”, so you have Bolsheviks and Mensheviks and Trotskyites and Maoists and Stalinists, all (I think) claiming the mantle of Marx. There simply was nothing like that in paganism.
Now you ask how I define “doctrine”??? The same way my friend Mr. Webster does, which I've given you above, which you agreed with. Therefore your statement makes no sense whatsoever, none. (and you make such silly comments as this when I asked you to explain something, “I was going to, but it would be like trying to explain a sphere to a Flatland-er”.
“There simply was nothing like that in paganism.”
You've never heard of the Hindus, with their elaborate system of gods and triads and myths? You've never heard of the Babylonians with their priests and temples and sacrifices? Shall I go on? They certainly had their ideas on what was “right belief/doctrine”, “orthodoxy” and what was not. Just read what happened to Daniel and his friends.
And you compare ME to a “flatland-er”. Amazing!
They’re not doctrine in the required sense, I don’t think — they’re a pastiche of myth and legend and folklore and poetry and tribal identity and epic “history” and custom and ritual and syncretism. They express the innately human impulse to worship greater forces, but they never achieve the force and clarity of a Christian creed, much less a systematic theology.
Exactly, the real translation of the meaning of alter Christus is in the person of Christ, not "another Christ" as some loons, liars and the genuinely misinformed would have you believe.
Any library can provide all the books you'll ever need on Greek or Babylonian systems of theology in their respective religions.
Are they comparable to the light of Christianity? No, of course not, they are the darkness of demon worship Paul spoke of at I Cor. 10:20 and 2 Cor. 6:14.
We must keep in mind that The Reformed® have little or no Christ in their theology; they have A LOT of misinterpretation of Saint Paul (though 2 Peter 3:16 specifically warns against this), but little or no Christ (I have been specifically informed that the Gospels WERE NOT written for Christians).
That is meaning of “prosopos”, the word Paul uses at 2 Cor. 2:10 provided by Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.
It really has nothing to do with “alter Christus”, or “another Christ” either.
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