Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
and how is that? and how do I *pay attention to tone and texture* in the written word
your children of the corn god is bad sci-fi
Yes, I read that in Newman. I still maintain that no form of paganism had any more than practices, sometimes elaborate, and inchoate notions, traditional stories and myths in an effort to understand and express reality, without direct revelation. I know Newman uses the word “doctrine”, but there simply wasn’t anything approaching the doctrinal, properly speaking, before Christianity. Where is Plato’s Creed? Is Gilgamesh a doctrinal statement? Is Antigone or OEdipus Rex? Paganism is just an entirely different kind of thing.
Klaus Schatz doesn't speak for the Church and for every opinion he publishes hundreds of other opposing positions are published by other equally reputable Catholic theologians and historians. Schatz applies a very loos or liberal interpretation of the history of the documents and speculates that "if the doctrine of Papal Infallibility were in effect the Popes who issued those documents would probably have invoked it". The doctrine of Papal infallibility was not established until 1870. At that time Ineffabilis Deus was declared infallible retroactively. It was again invoked in 1950 for Munificentissimus Deus.
Now you are going to have to answer why you cite Catholic Theologians and historians as authoritative when they agree with you but claim they are fools or worse then they disagree with you.
paganism is from Cain who made up the first man made religion despite God's instructions.
The Catholic church embraces every pagan religion that it comes across and thus, great confusion (Babel) ensues and a mystery religion. Hysop's Two Babylons will explain it for you
I am not retracting anything, nor am I going to go back through this thread and highlight the hundreds of examples. I am prohibited by forum rules from bringing examples from other threads.
I will do this, Sport, I will point out examples as they arise. It won't take long for them to pop up. As long as Calvinists and other like minded cultists and heretics frequent this thread there will be plenty of examples.
Alexander Hislop
LOL! You can’t be serious!
No matter how benign some pagan harvest festival might have been or seemed to be they were still condemned, They were in their every part worship of false gods which is to say Satan worship.
So matter how ancient or whatever the ideas connected with pagan festivals they have always been condemned by God. Just as making images of bulls and using them in worship, even if the Jews said it represented or in fact was God it was still false and Satanic.
I do not think Newman is a saint and I have never heard him quoted by a Protestant
Just pointing out that Satan does not really cast out satan ... So paganism and the mystic practices remain in the catholic church til today and are so much a part of it that catholics do not even notice anymore.
absolutely serious, refute it using the bible, or Plato or whatever, and pay attn to tone and texture
“”There was no “Catholic Church”, there was no unanimity of thought, there was no such thing as a Papacy prior to Constantine. Constantine chose the “winner” and provided the protection and patronage for the establishment of the “Catholic Church”. “”
More nonsense!You’re beginning to sound like Dan Brown
The Papacy is the head of Bishops and the Church. Saint Irenaues spoke of the position and succession from Apostles about Saint Clement and those in succession after Clement in the papacy.
From Saint Irenaues 3.3.3 against heresies.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm
3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.
I'll bet Christmas is a pretty bland and joyless event around your house. No Christmas Tree, No Santa Claus, no presents, no elves, no Yule Log, no mistletoe, no wreaths, no holly, no eggnog, no fun, no nothing. I'm glad I'm not one of your kids............
naw not going nuts..it just points to the pagan roots that yield an ever virgin "queen of heaven ". A dispenser of all grace, goddess
It just points to the rosary pagan prayer beads, and repetitive prayers. It just points to having the idea of a sacrifice on an altar and then eating flesh so that the flesh changes you..like cannibalism.The Catholic church has pagan roots thanks to Constantine and catholics think it is all God, when actually God hates it
Big talk, now prove it.
The leader of the Church calls the Bishops together. Constantine was that leader.
Yeah, yeah. Prove that Constantine called the Bishops, rather than begging the Church to pull itself together before the Empire shattered.
The Church of Constantine, now known as the Catholic Church, was, and is, a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.
There never was nor is a Church of Constantine, pagan or not. Constantine was a gradual convert to Christianity, sure, but if you wish to make statements like this, I'm sure that you'll back them up with proofs. I would call your attention to the gradual conversion of so many people away from the Church to the church of the god that they see in the mirror.
No evidence, just hysterical and wishful thinking.
Just pointing out that you seem to have no clue as to what a pagan practice is compared to a Christian one and what Christian Mysticism is.
Pagan had sacred books like Scriptures too.That would make Bible reading a pagan practice borrowed by Christians according to your ideas. I could come up with all sorts of similarities to this and relate paganism to protestantism as well.
The atheist use this stuff all the time to deny there is a God.
Do you really want to go there with this?
No heroes at this address. Just a Christian who sees the perversion of Christianity by the children of the Reformation, led astray by the desires of their stomachs and the whims of their fleeting emotions.
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