Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Legatus]

However, I feel somewhat slighted in that you didn't think it was worthy of an answer when I asked you to list the people "raised to Heaven" during and after the time of Jesus.

In all of the chaos on the Divine Nature over the last two days a lot of things have slipped through the cracks and now I actually understand the question. I don't believe that when someone dies (when the body is separated from the soul) that God puts the soul into suspended animation until the end of the world.

If Our Lord descended into hell (or "the dead") to deliver the Gospel to the "Just of old" it seems a little weird that they would have been "woken up" for that and then knocked back out to await the general judgment. Sleep is a function of biology, not the soul.

Part of the problem is going to be how we experience time when we are separated from our bodies. Time seems to be primarily a condition of the material world, but in some sense it must exist on a spiritual level as well.

St. John was given a vision, was it real or merely a mental image? In the parable of "Dives and Lazarus" was Our Lord completely making up an existence for the dead or was He talking about a reality? Did God bring Elijah and Moses out of cold storage long enough for the Transfiguration and then put them back to sleep?

I think part of it goes back to what death means. Death is not the end, it's the separation of the body and the soul. The life of the body ceases but the life of the person continues. How and what does the soul experience without the faculties of the body? We are told the dead "sleep in Christ" but what does that mean, unconsciousness until the resurrection?

So if the question is "who is enjoying the Beatific Vision?" I the answer is all the saved who died loving God perfectly... I'm not John XXII after all. Certainly a lot more people than those "raised to the altars" of the Church.

[OLD REGGIE]

Bizarre to me how folks don't understand that "Catholic" means "Universal"; the one true Church founded by Jesus himself. I guess some don't read history or the Bible.

Where is that in the Bible you apparently know so well?

[Running On Empty]

“What is your witness?”

I live it as I see myself called by the Lord—and no one else.

No TRUE witness is ever “empty”.

And it is only the Lord who knows for sure what is true witness that is pleasing to Him. The ripple effect of all true witness is something no mere human can judge accurately.

“It will be a silent witness to you, not to Christ...”

How in the name of heaven can you know that?

Jesus tells us what we must be because what we are determines what we will do.

It’s best to think less about what we should do, and more about what we ought to be.

If I am called to be the type of “witness” Jesus asks of me, it’s because He who created me knows how I am made and what I can do best, with the help of His grace, to help bring about His Kingdom.

No one but the Lord is qualified to know what kind of witness He asks of me.

You ask many questions.

[1000 silverlings]

that's in all churches, PC, liberal versus conservative. If they don't preach biblical doctrine they run off the track. One thing though, we are free to ask questions and demand a biblical reason for the doctrine taught. Not all pastors have all the answers but what they preach has to have biblical support.

[Jaded]

"It will be a silent witness to you, not to Christ... '

Really? What is the witness of a governor who professes her faith yet her biggest supporter has made his fortune slaughtering the unborn?

What is the witness of a pastor who not only condones same sex marriage but is in one?

What is the witness of the baseball player who runs the local praise and worship yet, engages in illegal substance use and perjury?

These people will all tell you Christ is their saviour but their silent witness tells you something vastly different.

[D-fendr]

biblical reason for the doctrine taught.

And still end up with a wide range of doctrine. Does your church's biblical doctrine lean towards TULIP or towards free will or somewhere in between?

[D-fendr]

The theology that the dead are “sleeping” is a new one. It partly explains some’s problem with the Communion of the Saints.

[Legatus]

How will they know anything about Jesus Christ if all they do is observe you?

Oral Roberts
Pat Robertson
Jim Bakker
Jerry Falwell
Ernest Angley
Fulton Sheen
Kenneth Copeland
Creflo Dollar
Benny Hinn
Rex Humbard
Joyce Meyer
Mother Angelica
Joel Osteen
Rod Parsley
Peter Popoff
Jimmy Swaggart
Jack Van Impe
Robert Schuller
Billy Graham

Their spouses and their progeny...

America's preachers of the latter 20th century, rogues and heroes. Is their witness to Christ in their words primarily or in their lives? A lot of people can say the words and do more damage to the cause of Christ than if they'd never let the name of Jesus pass their lips.

Are we ALL called to nag people for Jesus? Is ANYONE called to nag people for Jesus?

[1000 silverlings]

that’s generally not in the mission statement, but such discussions can happen in bible study classes

[D-fendr]

So, for your church, General vs. Particular questions and various points of Calvinism and double predestination are up to the conscience of each member.

Would that be correct as you understand it?

[OLD REGGIE]

America's preachers of the latter 20th century, rogues and heroes. Is their witness to Christ in their words primarily or in their lives? A lot of people can say the words and do more damage to the cause of Christ than if they'd never let the name of Jesus pass their lips.

In fairness you should probably list the Catholic Bishops of the latter 20th century and ask the same question of them.

[Legatus]

In fairness you should probably list the Catholic Bishops of the latter 20th century and ask the same question of them.

They're on a separate list... I did include Mother Angelica and Abp. Sheen because I felt kind of rude putting Billy Graham on the list with so many complete dorks.

As for the American bishops... the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.

[1000 silverlings]

No, biblical doctrine is biblical doctrine. Truth is truth. Truth is not subjective. If anyone lacks wisdom, they can ask God for some and keep on studying. It’s a lifetime job.

[Running On Empty]

Thanks.

[D-fendr]

Friend, every Baptist claims their doctrine is the biblical doctrine. But their doctrines disagree on key issues.

[1000 silverlings]

lol. Truth is truth and God’s Word is above all truth. Find me a man who understands God totally. Are you going to hold that all or some people have a complete understanding of everything, including God’s word? then no learning would ever take place. There’d be no need for the gifts of ministry now would there?

[Running On Empty]

Thanks.

About the nagging—NO. We are not called to be Nags For Jesus. :-)

[1000 silverlings]

The bible is our daily bread, all kinds of truth to be digested and understood in our spiritual growth. That’s why there’s milk for babies and meat for the adults. what you understood when you were a spiritual baby is not necessarily what you will understand as a spiritual adult, and why you can grow in wisdom and understanding, wonderful stuff, and why you need to keep studying, again it’s a lifetime job

[D-fendr]

What does that mean in the context of this discussion of differing doctrines? Are Calvinist Baptist correct or are Arminian Baptists correct? Or neither?

[D-fendr]

That’s why there’s milk for babies and meat for the adults.

Ah... Double predestination for babies; free will for adults. {^_^}