Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
See Post 8040...
But they do make good chocolate!
Aren't you the person who claimed I never answered a question?
One thing you can be certain of is I will never respond to an imperious order from you.
You are the one who brags about the dynamic and growing population of Catholics. It is up to you to back up your claims.
However, I did choose the one nation in the world with the greatest percentage of Catholics for a quick analysis of "Catholic Growth".
Although Portugal is one of the countries with the highest proportion of Catholics in the world, the number of faithful has been falling steadily since the mid-1970s. According to the latest census, carried out in 2001, half a million people said they had become agnostics.
While 84.5 percent of the 10.6 million people in this southern European country identify themselves as Catholics, only 18.7 percent are practicing Catholics.
In addition, just 10.3 percent of the population are regular church goers, and only half of all weddings are held in churches, while divorce and abortion are legal and a same-sex marriage bill has been passed by parliament and is set to be signed into law.
Pope finds Catholic Church losing Portugal as a stronghold - May 2010
Of course Scripture does not say that.
What Scripture does say:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, la'ma sabach-tha'ni?" that is, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Point taken. Sometimes if feels rather like banging one’s head against the wall trying to have a rational discussion.
Typically, a partial quote was used in order take my words out of context and to convey a completely different meaning. Alan Grayson would approve.
Allow me to provide the complete quote in the interest of honesty:
Yup, and even the right to tell him he doesn't belong on a "Christian" thread. His right is to ignore such high-handed commands.*
* Emphasis added
Just okay chocolate, Imo. Try Godiva.
If you are a former Baptist, then tell me the differences you have noticed
LOL! That's what I get for not spelling right.
Frankly, compared to some of "your side" that was very gentle. It didn't concern me at all. I made an error and you prodded me into digging deeper into Scripture. All to the good.
However, I feel somewhat slighted in that you didn't think it was worthy of an answer when I asked you to list the people "raised to Heaven" during and after the time of Jesus.
“...and the lectures you deliver
may be very wise and true
but I’d rather get my lesson
by observing what you do”
...Edgar Guest
I believe that witness is more important than preaching, exhorting and rebuking-—especially that preaching and rebuking stuff.
I also believe that witness by internet in the safety net of anonymity is not the best pulpit for preaching (or rebuking).
When a person can be seen for who he is and heard for who he is and observed for who he is, that witness will speak better than the keyboard.
Thank God that in the Mystical Body of Christ we are not all called to preach and exhort and rebuke, because if we appoint those tasks to ourselves we likely could do more harm than good.
I like to read and try to absorb the words of Jesus in his long opening discourse in Matthew 5,6 and 7, and his last discourse in John 14. If I can ever keep these words in heart and mind, and try to live them with His grace, I hope that He will help me to give a silent witness that will attract, rather than to be rebuking and preaching.
However, I did preach and rebuke my children. That was my appointed mission.
There are Baptist who disagree with you on what the Bible says concerning salvation, free will, the elect, etc.
Historically Baptists have divided over several issues including whether Christ's atonement extends to all people: "General" vs. "Particular" Baptists.
In the area we have been discussing, differences in theology run from Free Will Baptist teaching the traditional Arminian position to the Calvinist Reformed Baptist and in between the Southern Baptist Convention. The SBC left the Baptist World Alliance over issues including homosexuality and women in the clergy.
It might be interesting for you to find where your church stands on these issues.
Golly gee - quite a few of your Popes must have believed in predestination.
I think it is unfair for you to lump all Catholics into one group - "...they are lost". Some Catholics are mighty fine Christians.
When the (male) Bishop is subordinate to Sister Agnes you'll have a point.
When Sister Agnes is the Bishop you'll really have a point.
In the meantime women are second class citizens in the Catholic Church.
What is your witness?
When a person can be seen for who he is and heard for who he is and observed for who he is, that witness will speak better than the keyboard.
He is a sinner, no matter how nice he is and unless he can tell them he is saved by the grace of God.. his witness is empty
He will help me to give a silent witness that will attract, rather than to be rebuking and preaching.
It will be a silent witness to you, not to Christ...
How will they know anything about Jesus Christ if all they do is observe you? How will the know that He was God incarnate? That He died for the sin of men?Or that He is the only way to be saved?
There are wonderful Buddhists that will burn in hell ...
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Are you suggesting women are accorded equal status with men in the Catholic Church?
Women Priests?
Women Bishops?
Women Popes?
But, according to double predestination, some are born saved, the rest born doomed.
Actually I don't believe it is speculation, rather, it is fact.
Luke 2:
51 And he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart.
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man.
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