Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
No. God cannot die, regardless which hypostasis is involved. What died on the cross was Jesus, a man, Christ's human nature. The Word neither suffered nor died in his divine nature.
So, what's your point?
Burned...yeah, let's start that again. Christianity at its best.
So, instead of answering my question you throw banal verses at me form none other than s person who called himself 'all things to all men" and who would tell them anything they wanted to hear as long as they bought what he was peddling.
In other words, it seems you have run out of ammunition and are now suggesting I cannot comprehend what is written (of course you can't prove that you understand either — why should I believe you or Paul?). Do you walk on water?
Man, what a bummer.
Thank you sir. You are most kind. Accoridng to some, even the a few Founding Fathers would have been banned by the likes of some Evangelical police here.
Your verses miss the point. Sin in Judaism is intentional. Thus, James 2:10 (who was a Judaizier and a Paul's main adversary) simply states that even a single intentional sin is like breaking every other aspect of the Law. Murder is murder, whether you murder one or one thousand because the Law prohibits murder.
Anyone able to open a dictionary would know that, J. The Greek word agnosis (a+gnosis) simply means "un-knowledge"; being agnostic is a simple admission that one does not know; it's not an affirmation or a denial.
Now ignorance is a different word. The ignorant hate anything that is not just the way they see it, and all they want to do is destroy it.
Atheism is a belief that God does not exist and is the exact opposite of a belief that there is a God. The former denies it; the latter affirms it. Neither has any proof but they also have no decency to admit that ti is blind faith and nothing more.
Let's just say that it complicated the matter. At the time John wrote, it was absolutely essential that Christianity, having been rejected as Judaism, and thrown out of Israel, establish a divine authority of its own. The Hellenization of Jesus accomplished that but it also created an ontological nightmare.
You bet.
The first thing to recognize is that no one walks on water and that should be humbling enough for all to behave in a civil manner and acknowledge others' views.
I like to say that God chose to need us.
That is the great love of God. Within the Trinity there was/is/will be perfect love, harmony, contentment. God didn’t need anything and would never need anything. He wasn’t bored. Instead He actively chose to make us in His image and share His love and contentment with us because of love.
In a very real sense you are correct, God chose to need us (believers). But we shouldn’t think we (collectively) are needed by God. God choose us. We don’t choose Him.
Why do you think God did create man?
Yet we are born in sin ...
Absolutely !
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RN 7-You do not even have faith there is a God, and you want to teach doctrine?
I don't believe you have the ability to read Kosta's his heart at all. Furthermore, Kosta KNOWS the correct teaching on the Trinity which means he is walking in truth,which means he is in the spirit of our Lord. Hersey is NOT of the Spirit of our Lord regardless of ignorance
Here is a good lesson for you to learn regarding the Trinity from Blessed Saint Gregory Nazianzen's Oration 31
"If ever there was a time when the Father was not, then there was a time when the Son was not. If ever there was a time when the Son was not, then there was a time when the Spirit was not. If the One was from the beginning, then the Three were so too. If you throw down the One, I am bold to assert that you do not set up the other Two. For what profit is there in an imperfect Godhead? Or rather, what Godhead can there be if It is not perfect? And how can that be perfect which lacks something of perfection? And surely there is something lacking if it has not the Holy, and how would it have this if it were without the Spirit? For either holiness is something different from Him, and if so let some one tell me what it is conceived to be; or if it is the same, how is it not from the beginning, as if it were better for God to be at one time imperfect and apart from the Spirit? If He is not from the beginning, He is in the same rank with myself, even though a little before me; for we are both parted from Godhead by time. If He is in the same rank with myself, how can He make me God, or join me with Godhead?"-Saint Gregory Nazianzen's Oration 31
And......
"They then who are angry with us on the ground that we are bringing in a strange or interpolated God, viz.:—the Holy Ghost, and who fight so very hard for the letter, should know that they are afraid where no fear is; and I would have them clearly understand that their love for the letter is but a cloak for their impiety, as shall be shown later on, when we refute their objections to the utmost of our power. But we have so much confidence in the Deity of the Spirit Whom we adore, that we will begin our teaching concerning His Godhead by fitting to Him the Names which belong to the Trinity, even though some persons may think us too bold. The Father was the True Light which lightens every man coming into the world. The Son was the True Light which lightens every man coming into the world. The Other Comforter was the True Light which lightens every man coming into the world. Was and Was and Was, but Was One Thing. Light thrice repeated; but One Light and One God. This was what David represented to himself long before when he said, In Your Light shall we see Light. And now we have both seen and proclaim concisely and simply the doctrine of God the Trinity, comprehending out of Light (the Father), Light (the Son), in Light (the Holy Ghost). He that rejects it, let him reject it; and he that does iniquity, let him do iniquity; we proclaim that which we have understood. We will get us up into a high mountain, and will shout, if we be not heard, below; we will exalt the Spirit; we will not be afraid; or if we are afraid, it shall be of keeping silence, not of proclaiming."-Saint Gregory Nazianzen's Oration 31
It's a good idea for us all to keep this in mind when we write about the Trinity so not to fall into error.
What could establish Christianity's authority to any greater degree than a risen Christ and Stephan's vision of him enthroned in heaven or the testimony of those healed and resurrected from the dead by the apostles?
So who really wanted to Hellenize Jesus? John or some apostate “church fathers” that wanted to mix Greek philosophy with the Gospel?
The latter I agree was and is a nightmare.
Isn't it about time you cared more about what is right instead of who is right? You can believe anything you want and for whatever reason you want, you just cannot simply impose that belief on an educated public in contradiction to published historical fact. You may be successful with you close circle through the strength of your personality or the shrillness of your argument, but I am neither intimidated nor impressed by you and your rhetoric or methods. Further, you posting history seriously undermines any confidence in the truthfulness of your posts so you start out with a serious credibility.
I have presented information from numerous sites including the wikipedia, the Swiss Federal Statistical Office, and the CIA World Fact Book. I have drawn on a book I own;"A Contested Nation. History, Memory and Nationalism in Switzerland, 1761-1891" by Oxford professor, Dr Oliver Zimmer (Cambridge, 2003). You have countered with a link to a travel blog run by a Protestant couple that, not surprisingly, also includes links to Protestant and Evangelical sites. By any objective standard or independent research anyone on these sites can clearly and easily determine what is right and who is lying.
I invite everyone interested to simply spend ten minutes researching the subject. They will conclude, like I have, that although there have been pockets of Protestant majority since the Reformation, the whole of Switzerland has been predominantly Catholic for the last 1200 years.
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