Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
uh oh, pinged wrong Judith Ann
It’s real simple, I believe what the bible says about it, period. Of course, one would have to read for themselves what the bible says, not rely on someone to read it for them
When did Jesus say he was going to institute a NEW TESTAMENT? That should answer your question of the period of time covered by the gospels
And by the way, I learned this fact from a Mennonite professor of theology in a Bible Survey class. It is an accepted fact by Christian Theologians
forgot the e
There isn’t an official set of Baptist theological beliefs. Baptist churches are autonomous and have a variety of different beliefs - the varieties of Calvinism and Arminianism would be two big ones among others.
nice, and there’s only ONE bible, not two, called The Holy Bible
As we look at the Scriptures we see the primary doctrinal writings were the work of Paul.. I believe that he selected to write the majority of the NT ..
Certainly a great idea to chew on, but actually moot, since I don't believe in Alternate Universes. ;o)
It is what it is, exactly how God intended it.
Importance doesn't approach necessity. God "needs" to exist, I don't. God did not create us out of necessity, God is not contingent upon our existence.
You can't know that in the womb. And, according to double predestination, it makes no difference to your salvation whether you know it later or not.
If one seriously believes that about predestination then it's an anything goes life. You can be absolutely evil or garden variety dispicable and it will NEVER matter. Even the OSAS can't compete with that because even they "made" a choice.
LOL...remind me to tell you about the sermon I heard where the subject was Jesus' healing of the woman with a "bloody flux".
Just to ease your mind, in all my time as a Baptist I only remember the Word of God ever being preached, not Calvinism or Arminianism as neither is biblical doctrine. When Baptists of different churches come together, every single one will bring a bible, trust me, and will be checking it diligently to see if what the speaker says is true.
As to "different beliefs" you are going to have to come up with something better than that.
John 3:4-6
4”How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”
5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.
Yep.
Anything goes and nothing you or anyone else can choose or do matters.
If you believe in this theology, you have to act like it isn’t true in order to function as a human being. “As if” you had free will choices; “as if” your choices mattered...
nice verses, so what?
I was Baptist also.
If you want to familiarize yourself with the similarities differences in beliefs among different congregations, Google is your friend.
Yet there is no Scripture that says that all are of equal importance.
The Gospels are quite a lot more than "just" the quotations of Jesus, if you are familiar with them.
Very true, yet there are those who don't seem to realize that quotations from Almighty God are to be taken with the utmost and complete acceptance.
Matthew 4: 4 3 He said in reply, "It is written: 'One does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God.'"
The quotes of Jesus are to be accepted as His literal words - the words of God Almighty. The quotes from, say, Nahum are not the literal words of God Almighty spoken to men. We believe that God meant us to read them, but they do not weigh against the spoken words of the Lord.
The only "alleged" Christians I have read that have tried to place preeminence of some scripture over others are the ones who claim their own revealed, extra-biblical documents.
Funny, for the 1200 years prior to the Reformation, there was no doubt whatsoever about Church documents and what the belief of the Church is.
My point isn't "boo-hoo, the Calvinists (or the Catholics) are a bunch of meanies, be nice". My point is the message isn't getting through the noise... or rather it IS but not in the manner the messenger is expecting and it's not the intended message. If poster X is a complete harpy the message that comes across is "believe like X and you'll end up like X, isn't that attractive?"
Well no, it isn't attractive and if that's how the faith of X works in X's life then count me out because it's totally useless. Especially if X is held up as a paragon of X's faith... Now me, I'm a lousy example of faithful Catholicism in action. I'm snide, arrogant, rude, selfish, nasty, combative, snotty, cranky... not as much as I was yesterday (I hope) and more than I will be tomorrow. Occasionally I shut up long enough for a glimmer of the light of Christ to shine through and even that's not of my own doing.
I realize how some people get around "This is my commandment, that you love one another, as I have loved you." They write all the "anothers" off and say "I don't have to show love to Y because Y is a reprobate heathen".
To those of that opinion:
Because from where I'm sitting, THAT is a complete catastrophe. NOBODY ELSE wants to be like that.
This isn't about well-moderated forums with everyone sitting around drinking tea. It's "IS there really a line of people waiting to sign up to join 'harpies for Jesus'?" Speaking as a former card-carrying member of the men's auxiliary who now only attends the pot luck dinners: I hate guest chef night at the chinese restaurant... my fried rice is supposed to be cooked spicy, not with a container of chili sauce on the side! I've only been ordering the same thing for the last 10 years, how can they mess this up?
Rather, let us just say that they are lost and it is up to Christians to find them and bring them back to Christ.
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