Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
|
"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
|
Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Caste is a good description. I believe it was Dr. E. who postulated that it, election, was passed on to the children through the parents.
But isn’t Catholicism passed on to the children thru the parents?
Occasionally good discussion breaks out. I also learn some things about the Church and other’s theology.
But, often, you’re right: it’s like trying to read a good book during a gang fight.
We baptize children.
Not to be compared with born saved being inherited.
You got it.
I’ll take the Good Book :-)
Not me. I converted.
LOL.
Legatus made a good point. Reminded me of the Tar Baby story. Well worth remembering on here.
That and “The Scroll Bar is Your Friend”
lol, lol, so much wrong with that, but sorry--- you are claiming election
The big difference is in that. In double predestination you are born elect (or born doomed to hell). And there's nothing you can do, say, think, etc. etc. to change that.
As some have demonstrated, you can leave the Church. And a I demonstrate, you can join the Church.
If you got that from my post, I correct you: no.
And most certainly I'm not claiming it from the womb.
How about you? Where are you on double predestination. (Please forgive me if I should know.)
yes, but the Catholics maintain the Catholic church is the vehicle of salvation. By baptising infants you are what? baptizing them into the Catholic church? Because they did not make a conscious choice to follow Christ and be born again. and that my friend, is a world of difference.
Magic Catholic math:
1. A Catholic leaves place "B" and moves to place "A".
2. This proves a growing Catholic population in both places.
Baptism is not the end. There are plenty of conscious choices to come.
That’s the difference. In double predestination, the end of salvation is at the beginning - in the womb. A fetus makes no conscious choices. But there he or she is - saved or doomed.
Yup, and even the right to tell him he doesn't belong on a "Christian" thread. His right is to ignore such high-handed commands.
I'm not sure if that is a yes or no on whether you believe in double predestination or what's Calvinist Predestination. This is spelled out in Chapter III of the Westminster Confession of Faith.
Maybe I should ask it this way: Is the WCF part of your church's beliefs?
I believe what the bible says. I have no problem believing in a sovereign God who has mercy on whom He will have mercy and that He is just. I don’t spend one minute of my time worrying about election, Hell, ufos and obama, my job is to love Him no matter what. He’s the potter, I’m just clay, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. My soul doesn’t belong to me. In fact this very night, it may be required of me. Am I running out to get in one last good deed? lol, not likely. God is a sovereign just God, and He’s in control. I find that quite peaceful and assuring.
What is so surprising in a "Protestant" desire to expel the Jesuit Order? Even Pope Clement XIV in 1773 found it necessary to disband them. Must be something about those "loveable" Jesuits which makes enemies?
Of course Paul is intrinsically unnecessary for our redemption or the created world, you silly wabbit! God could have used "Irving" to make known the truths of the gospel to his embryonic church. He chose Saul (Paul) and therefore the words he spoke are recorded in the Bible and accepted as the revealed words of God - as God willed. By the same token, God could have chosen a young virgin named Hannah instead of Mary to bear the Savior.
I totally agree that without Jesus Christ, Paul's words would mean nothing, but the entire Bible is about him so he is, of course, its center. Without him, not one word would make sense.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.