Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Our birth is no accident, God set the time, the place and the parents..
Yes, you were born lucky.
And you can do or say or believe anything at all and it will not change or affect the fact that you are saved by God.
Humble.
I do think that perhaps the Calvinists have completely lost it.
you go first
And we have every right to weigh his words by his disbelief..
Except where Paul treats women as second class citizens.
1 Timothy 2:1.[12] I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
This is the accepted Catholic Church position.
“Actually we REALLY believe the Trinity is 3 PERSONS in one God”
Each of them is God whole and entire.
“What you know or believe you know has not even convinced you..there is no reason to even read what you write if you can not convince yourself.”
I’m fully prepared to hear from the usual posters who like to yell “hall monitor”, but if the above post isn’t “personal” and/or “mind-reading”, then my understanding of personal and mind-reading as described by the Mod needs explaining.
We are now into thousands of posts and the usual devolution of content and spit-wads are taking over.
What I do believe is that there is a point when any response to inquisitorial questions which seem to have questionable intent, any response to the endless posting referring to predatory priests, as if the application is for each and every priest (smearing about 98% or more of the good priests), any discussion of Mary and saints and liturgy and Eucharist, etc. becomes gotcha-game, we’ll-preach-to-you-to-save-you to a certain group on this forum.
I have observed that there are many who have dropped away—many who had something to contribute besides accusations, personal anecdotal experiences of bad Catholics, ongoing false accusations against popes and priests, constant negative “witnessing”, orders to other posters to “repent”, clinging on to “bones” of argumentation to a tiresome, repetitive level.
Each time I come onto these threads with this sort of same-o, same-o, I think: why should anyone think that the other side has changed their minds? Isn’t it a sort of mental dullness to keep doing that which changes nothing but just churns on endlessly?
Is it possible that there is some ego involved in thinking that one can change minds and hearts when one is cloaked in anonymity? Is it possible to change minds and hearts when the “message” is always negative, accusative, condescending and yes—sometimes even bitter?
There are so many great Catholic websites where good things are happening and encouraging and uplifting messages are exchanged and questions brought up are discussed and often clarified in an atmosphere of good will.
To me, it is a far better thing to be in that sort of place.
I am disappointed in the FR religion forum.
And yes, experience tells me that I can expect a certain kind of response to my thoughts.
So be it.
And oilå, ou're saved! Winner of God's lottery.
FR Religion Forum. Where Christians gather to disappoint each other!
Your knowledge of the history of Switzerland is as flawed as your knowledge of scripture and Catholic history. As I asked earlier, do you think no one can actually check these facts for themselves? Catholicism has always been the majority religion of Switzerland and was even practiced clandestinely in Geneva under the nose of Calvin and his Stasi, under penalty of death by a majority of the people. That was one of the reasons he had to resort to a "secret police".
Unable to overcome traditionalist Catholicism, which contributed to religious unrest and the formation of the Sonderbund of the Catholic cantons, and at the Tagsatzung of 1844 Protestants in vain demanded the expulsion of Catholics in general and the Jesuit order from the territory of the Swiss confederacy. When even that failed the Protestants initiated a civil war, the Sonderbundskrieg. The Protestant military victory in 1847 resulted in the implementation of the ban 1848 in the Swiss Constitution. It was expanded even further in the revised constitution of 1874, so that much open Catholic activity and all activity of Jesuits either in clerical or in educational function was outlawed.
This banning triggered a mass emigration of Catholics. The ban lasted until 1973, when the paragraph was removed from the constitution by a popular vote and precipitated the return of Swiss Catholics from Italy, Spain, Portugal and France.
the last one to yell it out was Natural Law who likes ad hominems
I wonder if that's what happened with Mad Dawg. If it is it's a crying shame.
I posted concerning the theologically orthodox understanding of person, nature and (very briefly) the external action of the Blessed Trinity... to which you responded "Read your Bible". That appears to be a denial of foundational Christian belief, I don't know if it is, but based on your other posts on those subjects I'm inclined to believe that's exactly what it is. It appears that "read your Bible" was supposed to be a refutation of classical Christian theology, it's not because studying the Sacred Scriptures is what produced those classical definitions. Accepting them is sort of critical to professing Christian belief.
Appearances seem to indicate that while you may believe in a Trinity, you do not believe in THE Trinity.
I'm not interested in gotcha-evangelism (or what Mad Dawg accurately calls sado-evangelism). I have even done that myself to OLD REGGIE on the issue of Elijah being assumed into Heaven. For that I am sorry. There's a good warning about being careful who you choose as an enemy because you will become like them. I don't want to become like... well, the public personas presented by the Calvinists in the forum. If that's what is being sold as the fruit of right belief then no thanks, not even thanks, just no.
Apropos of nothing, is it Jesus who makes people act like nasty, hectoring, booger flicking harpies? Harpy is such an interesting word... I wonder what Ferb would contribute on the subject.
To my co-religionists looking in:
I'm seeing some of that around here, and it worries me. We need to be very careful that we don't fall into the trap of treating "them" the way they treat "us". If someone behaves like an animal it's not our job to roll around in the sewage with them. Our job is to at all costs find a way to get them out of it. At the very least don't encourage them to wallow by feeding their beast within.
Which is probably what I'm doing right now. So I'll stop.
Paul was necessary for one simple reason; Jesus chose Paul to preach to the Gentiles. JESUS MADE PAUL NECESSARY!
Definitely
(Keep calm and carry on)
It was either that or “freak out and quit”. I probably should use “sit down and have a drink”.
lol, it’ll be ok. I like “Leggo”, I think we should talk to him more often
Its the Caste system with Calvinist Brahmins and Catholic Bhangi. It seems Calvin borrowed from more than just the Koran.
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