Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Uh... I really don't know what you're driving at but you're going completely off the rails. Death is not the end of existence, it is the separation of the physical body and the soul. Soul animates (enlivens) the physical body which is why all living things (animal and vegetable) are said to have souls proper to their nature.
Meanwhile, there is a danger of straying into heresy in some of the descriptions of the Trinity that have been posted lately. According to Augustine "the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as they are indivisible, so work indivisibly. This is also my faith, since it is the Catholic faith."
The Catholic Encyclopedia entry on the Trinity has this note on Augustine: "He insists that every external operation of God is due to the whole Trinity, and cannot be attributed to one Person alone, save by appropriation".
What has actually been expressed by you earlier is "tritheism", I'm not making it up, it's a condemned heresy that denies the unity of the Divine Being but also the unity of the Divine Operations. Saying that one thing is exclusively the work of One Person is tritheism. When God acts, GOD acts.
And your's isn't theology .
From the wikipedia:
"While Geneva was historically considered a Protestant city, there are over twice as many Roman Catholics (39.5%) as Protestants (17.4%) living in the Canton. 22% of the inhabitants claim no religion. Some did not respond, and the remaining practice Islam (4.4%), Judaism (1.1%), or other religions."
So God the father died on the cross and impregnated Mary
I've noticed that OPCers are a bunch of liars. One of them just falsely accused me of lying but I just linked to the fact that there are twice as many Catholics as Protestants there. Keeping them honest is impossible. It isn't in their nature.
But I thought there was no distinction , God is God and so if one does it they all do it?
See? The Trinitarian formula is not the easiest to understand, is it?
Did God die at all? God the Son. Scripture and the Church are explicit.
So then God is not eternal..He can die? Did all of God die or just one person of the trinity?
The Incarnation of Jesus did. Is your Scripture that redacted?
Some are looking at the world as if through an old beer bottle and arguing adamantly that the only color God created is brown. Its the only lens they know so they can't even comprehend a world with the full visible spectrum of colors.
Is it like the rest of Europe where they may make it to church for Christmas if the weather is good or they are not too hungover? Being "catholic" in Europe is a joke
BTW officially 3 million Catholics ( due to immigration from Southern Europe in the 1970's) and 2.7 Protestants ..
http://www.isyours.com/e/guide/religion/index.html
The Swiss Catholics are very old school and very devout. But then again, I probably hang around a better class of people than you.
The work of the trinity is not that hard to understand if one bothers reading scripture
The Incarnation of Jesus did. Is your Scripture that redacted?
So the son of man /Mary died but not the son of God?
So Mark did the Father impregnate Mary?
Sorry... I don’t see Jesus renaming Simon... Peter or Petra which translates to rock from the Greek... In order to immediately stop on a dime to metaphorically refer to himself in the third person.
The church is the bride... And Jesus is the bride groom... Two separate entities.
The majority "Swiss catholics" , have only been there since 1970 as immigrants from southern Europe.. so they are not THAT swiss....old, yes, on that we agree
And this from a believer in Calvinism and the Westminster Confession of Faith and in the King James Bible. May I enquire if you really intend to be this funny or if it is unintentional?
One of them recently said Geneva was predominantly Roman Catholic, but I just linked them to the fact that Geneva is predominantly Protestant.
Untrue. You linked to a site which stated that Geneva is predominantly Protestant. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials/religion_in_switzerland/Geneva:_Protestant_in_mind_but_not_in_body.html?cid=42438 says that:
The city of Calvin may have been one of the birthplaces of the Reformation but Geneva ceased to be home to a Protestant majority a long time ago.
Catholics now outnumber them more than two to one, but this does not stop many from claiming that Geneva remains Protestant at heart.
Oh, Dr. E., please tell me how it is possible to get so much so wrong so consistently. Geneva took centuries to recover from the destruction that Calvin wrought upon it. It took Rousseau to crack open the coffin of despair that Calvin buried Geneva in.
Okay; being Reformed in the United States is lonely. It consists of phone booth cults; all the formerly Reformed mainstream denominations have forsaken Calvin.
Your phony website has things wrong. The Swiss Catholics I know trace their families back to well before the Reformation and their parishes to the 7th century. In Swiss history Calvin is much like flatulence in the wind.
Dueling websites. Mine says Protestant; yours says RC.
The RC population has grown in the past 15 years due to RC immigrants from Italy, Spain and Portugal.
Wonder if those RCs are illegal as so many are in this country?
pint to 7676.
lol. The Swiss Catholics are Italian, Spanish and Portuguese immigrants.
The work of the trinity is not that hard to understand if one bothers reading scripture
Your posts indicate considerable confusion w.r.t. the Trinity. Does that mean that you are confirming that you do not read Scripture? Certainly if one insists that the Gospels are Old Testament, that indicates a significant departure from Christianity; at least yet another one.
The Incarnation of Jesus did. Is your Scripture that redacted?
So the son of man /Mary died but not the son of God?
You are far too funny. Unintentionally, I'm sure. What do Reformed women natter about when you violate Paul's instructions? There are depictions of harpies available on the Internet that I'm sure that Paul warned about...
So Mark did the Father impregnate Mary?
Check out the first chapter of the Reformed Old Testament Luke (the New Testament of Christians) for your answer.
Two minutes later Christ called him satan..so which is it rock or satan ?
...Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.
Augustine .. Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327.
In order to immediately stop on a dime to metaphorically refer to himself in the third person
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Take some time to do a scripture study of the word Rock, you will see it is consistently used as metaphor for God . Look at Moses striking the rock ( a type of Christ in the old Testament 1Cr 10:4)
The church is the bride... And Jesus is the bride groom... Two separate entities.
LOL, that has nothing to do with anything.. the elect, the saved are the church and they indeed are the Bride of Christ.. that has NOTHING to do with Peter.
The NT church has no priesthood, no papacy and no apostolic succession .. it is all made up out of whole cloth
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