Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
And what was the purpose of Jesus speaking in parables?
I heard they handle snakes as well...can you imagine? LOL
So how was Mary chosen and when ?
To Heaven?
It is "foolishness to those that are perishing", a stumbling block to the lost ... note the silly humor and insults because they have no argument from scripture, they can only mock ... and hope that halts the discussion
In Scripture there is...no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom (To Autolycus II.15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian (On Pudicity 21). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen ("In Ps. xvii", 15). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen's pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus. In his Ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270, he writes:
There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P.G., X, 986).
The article speaks of Scriptural evidence, which is well presented here. And it speaks too, of the Catholic Church's teachings from very early on of forms of the Trinity. The conclusion is very interesting as well. Did you read it?
Mark did God the Father die on the cross? Did God die at all?
Scripture is not irrelevant (not irrevelant, but that is probably a sticky key or the malfunction between your keyboard and chair), but there are no records, only accounts which require faith to believe. This is as God intended.
As for man-made tradition how does the sola scriptura crowd explain enjoying a Christmas Tree and celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th?
Did the father die on the cross Mark?
To Heaven?
Ah. Clarification. The closest I can think of is the thief at the Crucifixion.
No. Scripture and the Church are explicit. It was Jesus.
Did God die at all?
God the Son. Scripture and the Church are explicit.
I’ll follow your policy.
Socratean, schmocratean. For one who NEVER answers a question you sure ask a lot of them.
But I thought there was no distinction , God is God and so if one does it they all do it?
Did God die at all?
God the Son. Scripture and the Church are explicit.
So then God is not eternal..He can die? Did all of God die or just one person of the trinity?
No, it's not. You're getting Switzerland mixed up with Geneva.
Switzerland is 41% Roman Catholic and 39% Protestant.
However, Geneva is predominantly Protestant.
Canton of Geneva / Practical information: Area : 282 km2 Geneva, Switzerland
Population : 389'910
Capital : Geneva
Language : French
Predominant religion : Protestant
I went to the site that you linked.
Interesting that it is the work of someone deeply involved himself in eastern mysticism; consequently he writes from the prism of that view.
It can hardly be called a definitive analysis of the work of St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross and for that reason, I don’t see it as a reliable source.
It’s a long article and there are things in it that I could reply to, but I don’t believe that I would find it worthwhile to spend the time doing that. I have become familiar with how exchanges can go on these threads and I ‘m not inclined to want to provide fodder for that gristmill.
I do say—again—that there is no way that Carmelite understanding of prayer is eastern mysticism and just because someone who is already deep into such mysticism says so doesn’t make such a claim to be true.
AMEN.
And I've noticed Roman Catholic apologists just make stuff up and hope no one calls them on it. One of them recently said Geneva was predominantly Roman Catholic, but I just linked them to the fact that Geneva is predominantly Protestant.
Keeping them honest is exhausting. 8~)
You’re doctorate ain’t in Greek buddy.
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