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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: kosta50
Fatalism is the view that people cannot do anything other than what fate has determined that they will do. Calvinism is the view that people cannot do anything other than what God has determined that they will do. The main difference is the name that they give to their deity.

Yea, Robo Christians.

The Planet of the Robot Slaves aka Calvinist Paradise.

7,461 posted on 09/28/2010 9:42:49 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Good grief. I posted excerpts the other day."

You cut and pasted from the Time magazine article, you didn't read the book or even capture the context of the quotes. The rules of proper decorum prohibit me from further characterizing your actions.

7,462 posted on 09/28/2010 9:43:08 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“”Divinity cannot lose faith, but Mother Teresa says she lost hers.””

I have always noticed throughout my life that when I start focusing on other peoples trials as if I feel I am immune to these trials myself that God allows me to be tested in a harder fashion.

So, If I were you,I would expect to be tried since you seem to elevating yourself as if your faith is greater than someone like Mother Teresa who reached out to love the worst of human suffering


7,463 posted on 09/28/2010 9:43:16 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: MarkBsnr
You continue to post chunks of Scripture which pertain to what? What point are you making? What concept are these verses supposedly re-enforcing?

Posting Scripture is a positive move, Mark, but please, do us a favor and read it.

7,464 posted on 09/28/2010 9:44:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
False:...Almost all Protestants ridicule anyone who venerates the woman who was chosen by Christ to be His Mother.

False:...None of you give her the due she deserves.

False:...And all of you call her a sinner, no better than you.

Dr.E....why do some catholics always seem to pigeonhole 'everyone' who isn't a catholic into the same category? No wonder some use the term anti-catholic so much..some simply cannot discern the difference. It does get tiring to say the least. At some point you would hope the difference would be clear.

Mary was exactly who Christ said she was. Mother to our Savior Jesus Christ. Honored, yes, worshiped?... no not in the least. She would be appalled beyond measure to see any uplift her to the place she would not ever choose to be.

7,465 posted on 09/28/2010 9:45:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: D-fendr
The necessity for monasteries today is the same as it was in the past. There’s a variety of functions. Priests come out of monasteries, lay people go on retreats at monasteries. A life of prayer has value, and monastics pray for us and for the world.

The Reformed have no need of prayer. They are predestined for the limousine ride to Reformed salvation and the rest of humanity can just go to hell, with the Reformed sneering out of the windows of the limousine. The only value of prayer for the Reformed is a mechanical exercise which ultimately means nothing.

7,466 posted on 09/28/2010 9:45:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: stfassisi
I'm not elevating myself in the slightest. I'm quoting Mother Teresa who was presented here as a model of Christian perfection.

But she was not. And it is foolish to say she was. It's foolish and destructive to true Christianity to elevate to sainthood a woman who said she did not believe in Christ, who lost her faith for the last 50 years of her life and who taught others that all faiths are equally valid.

That is not how I have learned Christ. Nor you, I would hope.

7,467 posted on 09/28/2010 9:47:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: caww

AMEN to every word, caww!


7,468 posted on 09/28/2010 9:49:17 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For someone who makes as many typos and grammatical errors as you do, you presume editing abilities beyond your pay grade.

How kind of you. I suggest you examine your own on this thread alone.

7,469 posted on 09/28/2010 9:49:22 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You value monastics without even knowing it.


7,470 posted on 09/28/2010 9:50:26 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Reformed have no need of prayer.

Don't want no dank monastic's prayer anyway it seems.

7,471 posted on 09/28/2010 9:51:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

7,472 posted on 09/28/2010 9:52:34 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
On what did the church base this "'correct' Trinitarian formula?"

On Tradition, Bible and a lot of rationalizing.

7,473 posted on 09/28/2010 9:52:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50

I’m not the one going around pointing out everyone’s typos and flinging [sic}s indiscriminately.

I learned a long time ago it’s best not to draw attention to someone else’s mistakes because we all make them. When I do, I invariably screw up one of my own posts.


7,474 posted on 09/28/2010 9:52:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I prefer the life Christ outlined for His sheep -- marriage, family and His instruction to "go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature."

Sure; Matthew 19: 12 "Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage 9 for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it." does not apply to Reformed theology whatsoever, does it?

The answer is no. The Reformed have been removing inconvenient passages from their Bible since Calvin was terrorizing the good burghers of Geneva. You argue and argue against celibacy in the clergy, but have not as yet on this thread acknowledged this quotation from Jesus. Is there any Christ in Reformed theology?

7,475 posted on 09/28/2010 9:54:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: kosta50

As much as it may pain some to admit, the doctrine of the Trinity was founded on Scripture.


7,476 posted on 09/28/2010 9:54:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Dear Sister, Mother Teresa continued to love others resisting her trials of faith.

Can you even imagine seeing dying child after dying child in your arms day by day and waking up each morning to see this horror over and over for years?

People who love much are tempted and persecuted much in this world.

Read the lives of the Saints.

Good Night!


7,477 posted on 09/28/2010 9:54:59 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You didn't make a typo. You implied that Catholics can say something with certainty about someone soul. That is incorrect.
7,478 posted on 09/28/2010 9:55:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
As much as it may pain some to admit, the doctrine of the Trinity was founded on Scripture

Pontificating doesn't make something true. Find me where the Bible says God is Triune; find where it says the hyposases are co-equal and co-eternal.

7,479 posted on 09/28/2010 9:57:10 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

As much as it may pain some to admit, major contributions to the definition of the Trinity were made by monastics.


7,480 posted on 09/28/2010 9:58:36 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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