Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Once, twice, three times a lady...
What besides her human nature, did Mary possess?
You, too, stfassisi. I would have thought someone like you would have understood the Trinity.
Do you think “Christ choose Mary?” Is this some new edict out of Rome?
I looked for a simple explanation of the Trinity online
Each member of the Trinity has a distinctive primary role (or work):
The Father originates, chooses, and calls us
The Son reveals the Father and redeems us by means of His own death on the cross
The Spirit witnesses to Christ, awakens our dead souls, gives us new life, and delivers us to heaven
But the personal distinctions are not something added onto God's essential being. His being encompasses them all.
It is not the Son's work to call and awaken our dead souls. It is not the Father's role to die on the cross. It is not the Spirit's role to call us or to die for us.
Although the members of the Trinity are equal in every way, there is an order among them.
(That 'order' can exist with equality in the Godhead may be helpful in thinking about the man-woman relationship in the Bible)
http://www.understandingthebible.org/The_Nature_of_the_Trinity.htm
PLEASE folks, read your bibles, pray for the Holy Spirit to illuminate the word of God for you ...
she heard it thru the grape wine
What did Mary contribute to Christ?
Did she contribute His divinity? Did she contribute His sinlessness?
You, too, stfassisi. I would have thought someone like you would have understood the Trinity.
I do understand the Trinity. If you read carefully what Judith Anne said ..meaning the trinity is not limited to ONLY one particular function
Zero times. Christians are judged according to Christ within them.
That is not what I have posted scores of times to you, all with Scriptural proofs. Kosta has also done a stellar job in posting proofs to you. All men, Christian and non Christian are Judged. That is Scripture, not the fairy tale fantasies of men that came out of the Reformation.
Read your Bible. Learn the truth.
I have and I have. Yet that is not because of you. I do not take or eschew action at the bidding of the likes of you.
Does God justify the Godly or the ungodly?
All men, even the Reformed elite, fall short of the example of Jesus. Therefore all men are ungodly; yet Jesus tells us to strive, struggle and persevere. Be perfect, as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
I answered every one of your questions.
It’s pretty funny how RCs, when having lost the argument, withdraw into the haze of “never mind.”
Everyone has the occasional double post and spelling error. No big deal.
Yes,I agree, but there is nothing that is Not known to all three because they are One
Dr E’s post came across that way to me.
Fr William Most explains this well..
Even though the Three Persons are One God, yet they are distinct: for the Father has no origin, He came from no one. But the Son is begotten, He comes from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit comes or proceeds from both the Father and the Son. These different relations of origin tell us there are three distinct Persons, who have one and the same divine nature.
Even though everything the Three Persons do outside the Divine nature is done by all Three, yet it is suitable that we attribute some works specially to one or the other Person. So we speak of the Father especially as the power of creation, of the Son as the wisdom of the Father, of the Holy Spirit as goodness and sanctification.
The two doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation are the foundation of Christian life and worship. By becoming man, God the Son offered us a share in the inner life of the Trinity. By grace, we are brought into the perfect communion of life and love which is God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This sharing in the life of the Trinity is meant to culminate in heaven, where we will see the three Persons face to face, united to them in unspeakable love.
The Spirit did not shed His blood for us. He cannot redeem. His job is to convict of sin, righteousness, and judgment and point to Christ.
It's not like the Godhead is made up of interchangeable parts. The delineation of duties is not of our making, it's what Christ Himself told us.
John 16:5-15 "Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?' Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.
So, your answer then is “Yes”.
Correct?
If it were worded under the same terms as the original question. The claim was that Christ did not choose His mother. I gainsaid that because of the nature of the Trinity. The words and the context of Luke say "God" as in the complete Triune God. Christ, as part of the Triune God certainly could be said to 'choose' Mary. The actions of Jesus on Earth are not the actions of the Father or the Holy Spirit because of the context and because Scripture differentiates between the Incarnate Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit at that point.
You posted a reply, but that's not quite the same. Among the questions you didn't answer, that I kept asking are:
"Your posts indicate a lack of knowledge of the contributions of monastics to the development and spread of Christianity. Have you limited your study of the history of Christianity to certain time frames?… Did you skip this time frame in the history of Christianity?… Have you studied this at all? How about around the time of St. Augustine and his life?… Any study or knowledge about monastics and their contribution around this time frame? Anything at all prior to the 15th Century?…"Monastics bad" is really not answering the question.
God is the boss of me. You are not His messenger to me on earth, no matter whether you think you are or don’t.
You are not my spiritual authority, you are not my FR authority, and when you make your little commands, they have no impact.
The statement, “He left you a love letter so that you would know Him” is so offensive, coming from you, that it nearly makes me physically ill. Jesus Christ, Risen Son of Almighty God, is my Lord and Savior.
King David's line is rife with prostitutes, murderers, incestuous, sinners of every stripe-- all human. To make Mary into some kind of pre-existent goddess is to lessen Christ's humanity, even deny it, and that is not Christian theology, it's pagan belief
Scripture tells us she contributed her human nature to Jesus along with His lineage from David so that He could be both man and God, and so He would fulfill the prophecies of Scripture.
Those truths are in complete contrast to what Rome teaches...
The Blessed Virgin Mary is to be called Queen not only on account of her divine motherhood but also because by the will of God she had a great part in the work of our salvation. . . . In this work of redemption the blessed Virgin Mary was closely associated with her Christ. . . . Just as Christ, because he redeemed us, is by a special title our King and Lord, so too is Blessed Mary, our Queen and our Mistress, because of the unique way in which she co-operated in our redemption. She provided her very substance for his body, she offered him willingly for us, and she took a unique part in our salvation by desiring it, praying for it, and so obtaining it. . . . - - Ad Coeli Reginam, pope Pius XII
Except for the first example, Elaine Benis had the right answer...
"Fake...Fake....Fake...Fake."
(Also note even Pius XII says "according to the will of God" she was chosen, and not according to "the will of Christ," as some here have wrongly stated.)
Thanks for your reply.
It is a Trinity question:
“Mary was only the mother of Jesus’s human nature. Right?”
Mary was never a goddess. No Catholic ever said she was. Your attempt to graft pagan belief onto the Church is doomed to fail.
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