Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Can anyone “be perfect?”
Couldn’t find it, eh?
Us? One has to wonder what constitutes the plurality she refers to. Perhaps she has taken to referring to herself majestic plural. That sounds like the sin of pride; the unrestrained appreciation of ones own worth.
Just keep doing what your are doing. I appreciate and enjoy sarcasm, particularly when confronting vanity.
Anyone, including Satan, can parrot Scripture and misinterpret or misrepresent the meanings. Demands to confine your discussion are merely attempts to control and direct the discussion. Scriptural responses are typically ignored or shouted down as not being applicable, not coming from the right translation, or even coming from redacted books.
"Dead to sin" does not mean we don't sin because all we have to do is look around and see that all men sin every day, as Paul said.
"Dead to sin" means that because we have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit we now feel remorse, sorrow and repentance for our sins because we now "know the things of God" and how much sin betrays the gift He's given us.
it is not our business to speculate where Mother Theresa's soul is. If anything, a true Christian can only say "God have mercy on us sinners," and "Thy will be done."
NO ONE has said anything different on this thread. What we know of "God's will" is found in the Scriptures and the Scriptures tell us that no one will see heaven who denies Him.
On this thread we have quoted Mother Teresa's own remarks concerning her loss of faith. If she died in her disbelief then she did not receive the salvation that comes with faith.
If Mother Teresa's last thought on her mind as she died was "I have no faith in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior," what is your best guess as to her eternal reward?
Do you think she could be saved having said she once knew Christ and then turned her back on Him?
Would Peter have been saved if his life had ended after he denied Christ?
Be sure to let us know when the Scriptures we post are incorrect. Until then, your rebuttal is just more empty sarcasm.
It’s like watching a comedy version of a drive-by shooting.
Christ was kind toward men who wanted to keep company with other men, if they remained chaste. He knew some men have trouble with intimacy so they spend their lives alone despite the fact that is not the way God intended for men and women to live.
The Scripture you post is not incorrect, just typically not applicable. Hiding behind Scripture does not lend credibility to your argument. Any obscenity or position can be supported with out of context and partial Biblical quotes. Even Nazism was scripturally defended by the German Protestant Church and Communism was defended by liberation theologists. Your misrepresentations, although not as extreme, are no less damning to the truth or your primary target the Catholic Church.
For there are some eunuchs who were so born from their mother's womb, and there are some eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."Your interpretation:
Christ was kind toward men who wanted to keep company with other men, if they remained chaste. He knew some men have trouble with intimacy so they spend their lives alone despite the fact that is not the way God intended for men and women to live.Hmm.
Can you find a bit further down: "If thou wilt be perfect..."
More like an incident I witnessed in Vietnam. We were patrolling a dirt road along a levee. When we passed over a one lane bridge a small truck passed us. An occupt under a tarp in the back attempted to throw a grenade at us. The grenate hit the tarp and dropped back inside the back of the truck...........comedy ensued, kind of like one of Dr. E's rants.
Now *that* is a petard hoist.
I have learned a great deal from these hate-fests over the years. It has served to reinforce my faith even more. The information provided by my brothers and sisters has been most helpful as resource material for my confirmation students.
There are times, many on this specific thread, where there is nothing left but sarcasm.
Bless you, NL and the others who stand and fight the good fight while being shouted down and ridiculed.
You're forgetting how men come to faith. It is by the predestining, supernatural work of God, and not men.
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" -- Ephesians 2:4-6 "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Quickened us, regenerated us, rebirthed us with Christ while we were still dead in sins.
Not after we believed.
We have faith because first we have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit to know the things of God, to repent, to obey, to believe.
As the RCC catechism correctly notes, "Faith is a gift of God."
There is nothing in-between provided for in the Bible
Read Paul. He understands that the flesh is weak while the spirit is willing.
And so we persevere, "confident that he which hath begun a good work in (us) will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6.)
You talk a lot about Christians not being "perfect" and that seems to unsettle you. Maybe your problem with Christianity stems from the fact that Eastern Orthodoxy teaches that perfection is actually possible in this life, although it is actually a futile, empty and ultimately frustrating pursuit of ego and not grace.
Christ and Christianity are a lot more sympathetic to the human condition than that. God loves us so much that "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8.)
We do our best, knowing that we have been forgiven our sins and that at our death, Christ, not Mary, not saints, not our own good deeds, but Christ alone will bring us to God the Father covered in His perfection, His obedience, His righteousness, His salvation.
That's what "substitutionary atonement" means.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." -- Romans 4:5-8 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Keep defending the monastic life. It reveals a lot.
Christ was kind toward men who wanted to keep company with other men, if they remained chaste. He knew some men have trouble with intimacy so they spend their lives alone despite the fact that is not the way God intended for men and women to live.
I think I've officially seen everything now. Not everything is about sex, usually a cigar is just a cigar. Not everyone is called to married life, Our Lord certainly wasn't, St. Paul wasn't. I know you're not casting that same aspersion on them...
How about Elijah? John the Baptist?
Nevermind the 7th Chapter of 1st Corinthians...
Who is "we"?
Nowhere are we told this is the preferred life. Christ told us that "from the beginning" God made men and women to marry and have children to populate the earth with men, woman and children who would kneel to none but Christ.
It is Rome's strange predilection that it esteems the monastic life above marriage and family.
And look at the sad and evil consequences of that desire. Over two billion dollars paid out in this country alone in recent years to settle sex abuse crimes committed by thousands of men who consider themselves to be "another Christ;" men who prefer to live without women.
With children, yes. Women, no.
Paul's mission was to spread and teach the revealed Word, not to reveal. If you cannot state your belief exclusively from the Synoptic Gospels your interpretation of Paul is incorrect. If you can find where Paul is reinforcing or clarifying the Word as revealed in the Synoptic Gospels you have it right.
LOL. So Paul taught things not taught by Christ?
RCs just make this stuff up as they go along because they can't defend their faith from Scripture.
Scripture rebukes Rome.
Any room for God the Father and the Holy spirit in there?
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