Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Its a good thing that I didn't say that, but then again everyone can read the posts for themselves and conclude who is not being truthful.
I’ve read Mother Teresa’s writings and your assumptions and conclusions of her based on your limitations. I don’t think you are capable of coming close to understanding the writing and inner lives of Mother Teresa - or St. Teresa of Avila or St. Teresa of Lisieux, or a great many others. I don’t think you have the background to even begin to have a clue about their lives or their writings.. Plus, your posts indicate no desire to.
If this were not so, there’d be some point to reply to you.
In this regard, it’s the same as your statements about what Catholics believe or what “Rome” believes. Or even what other’s post on this thread.
It’s just an unreliable beginning, with no attempt at real truth.
Yes. thank you. Of far more importance in my mind is the question of just how limited resources and time of a person or organization should be expended, whether providing material needs as a priority or teaching the Scriptures with charity making that possible as in the case of Christ providing for the crowds that stayed to hear him.
If Luther was such of fan of Rome he wouldn't have rebuked it with scorn and Scripture.
Nor would he have written "Against the Roman Papacy, An Institution of the Devil."
Or how about this from Luther (pinging a few reformers to some solid rebuttal to Rome)...
Since the papal church not only neglects the command of Christ but even compels the people to ignore it and to act against it, it is certain that it is not Christ’s church but the synagogue of Satan which prescribes sin and prohibits righteousness. It clearly and indisputably follows that it must be the abomination of Antichrist and the furious harlot of the devil. (What Luther Says, II: 1019) The negotiation about doctrinal agreement displeases me altogether, for this is utterly impossible unless the pope has his papacy abolished. Therefore avoid and flee those who seek the middle of the road. Think of me after I am dead and such middle-of-the-road men arise, for nothing good will come of it. There can be no compromise. (What Luther Says, II: 1019) Let him who does not want to be lost and go to the devil be on his guard with all diligence and earnestness against the papacy and its doctrine, and let him never again accept even the most insignificant and smallest part of the papacy’s teaching, no matter what it may cost him. Let him flee from the papacy and its following as from the devil incarnate himself, and let him by no means be silenced by the sweet, slippery words of hypocrites or be persuaded that yielding and conceding something for the sake of peace is a matter of little consequence and that the bond of love should not be disrupted for the sake of something trifling (as they represent and rationalize this to be). Come now, there is assuredly no joking in this matter; eternal salvation and eternal damnation are involved. (What Luther Says, II:1019-1020) Can anything more horrible be said than that the kingdom of the papists is the kingdom of those who spit at Christ, the Son of God, and crucify Him anew? For they do crucify Christ…in themselves, in the church…and in the hearts of the faithful…Therefore let everyone who is honestly given to piety flee out of this Babylon as quickly as possible…. For so great are its impurity and its abomination that no one can express them in words; they can be discerned only by eyes that are spiritual. (What Luther Says, II: 1020) My dear pope, I will kiss your feet and acknowledge you as supreme bishop if you will worship my Christ and grant that through His death and resurrection, not through keeping your traditions, we have forgiveness of sins and life eternal. If you will yield on this point, I shall not take away your crown and power; if not, I shall constantly cry out that you are the Antichrist, and I shall testify that your whole cult and religion are only a denial of God, but also the height of blasphemy against God and idolatry. (What Luther Says, II: 1069) Ah, my dear brother in Christ, bear with me if here or elsewhere I use such coarse language when speaking of the wretched, confronted, atrocious monster at Rome! He who knows my thoughts must say that I am much, much, much too lenient and have neither words nor thought adequately to describe the shameful, abominable blasphemy to which he subjects the Word and name of Christ, our dear Lord and Savior. There are some Christians, wicked Christians indeed, who now would gloss things over to make the pope appear against in a good light and who, after he does so and has been dragged out of the mud, would like to reinstate him on the altar. But they are wicked people, whoever they may be, who defend the pope and want me to be quiet about the means whereby he has done harm. Truly, I cannot do this. All true, pious Christians, who love Christ and His Word, should, as said, be sincerely hostile to the pope. They should persecute him and injure him…. All should do this in their several calling, to the best of their ability, with all faithfulness and diligence. (What Luther Says, II: 1072) What kind of a church is the pope’s church? It is an uncertain, vacillating and tottering church. Indeed, it is a deceitful, lying church, doubting and unbelieving, without God’s Word. For the pope with his wrong keys teaches his church to doubt and to be uncertain. If it is a vacillating church, then it is not the church of faith, for the latter is founded upon a rock, and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it (Matt.16:18). If it is not the church of faith, then it is not the Christian church, but it must be an unchristian, anti-Christian, and faithless church which destroys and ruins the real, holy, Christian church. (Luther’s Works, vol. 40, Church and Ministry II, The Keys, p.348) All this is to be noted carefully, so that we can treat with contempt the filthy, foolish twaddle that the popes present in their decrees about their Roman church, that is, about their devil’s synagogue (Rev.2:9), which separates itself from common Christendom and the spiritual edifice built up on this stone, and instead invents for itself a fleshly worldly, worthless, lying, blasphemous, idolatrous authority over all of Christendom. One of these two things must be true: if the Roman church is not built on this rock along with the other churches, then it is the devil’s church; but if it is built, along with all the other churches, on this rock, then it cannot be lord or head over the other churches. For Christ the cornerstone knows nothing of two unequal churches, but only of one church alone, just as the Children’s Faith, that is, the faith of all of Christendom, says, "I believe in one holy, Christian church," and does not say, "I believe in one holy Roman church." The Roman church is and should be one portion or member of the holy Christian church, not the head, which befits solely Christ the cornerstone. If not, it is not a Christian but an UN-Christian and anti-Christian church, that is, a papal school of scoundrels. (Luther’s Works, Volume 41, Church and Ministry III, Against The Roman Papacy, An Institution Of The Devil, p.311) These arrogant and unlearned papists can’t govern the church because they write nothing, they read nothing, but, firmly saddled in the pride of possession, they cry out that the decrees of the fathers are not to be questioned and decisions made are not to be disputed, otherwise one would have to dance to the tune of every little brother. For this reason the pope, possessed by demons, defends his tyranny with the canon "Si papa." This canon states clearly: if the pope should lead the whole world into the control of hell, he is nevertheless not to be contradicted. It’s a terrible thing that on account of the authority of this man we must lose our souls, which Christ redeemed with his precious blood. Christ says, "I will not cast out anybody who comes to me" (John 6:37). On the other hand, the pope says, "As I will it, so I command it; you must perish rather than resist me." Therefore the pope, whom our princes adore, is full of devils. He must be exterminated by the Word and by prayer. (Luther’s Works, vol.54, Table Talk, No.441, p.330) I believe the pope is the masked and incarnate devil because he is the Antichrist. As Christ is God incarnate, so the Antichrist is the devil incarnate. The words are really spoken of the pope when it’s said that he’s a mixed god, an earthly god, that is , a god of the earth. Here god is understood as god of this world. Why does he call himself an earthly god, as if the one, almighty God weren’t also on the earth? The kingdom of the pope really signifies the terrible wrath of God, namely, the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. (Luther’s Works, vol.54, Table Talks, No.4487, p.346)What is the whole papacy but a beautiful false front and a deceptively glittering holiness under which the wretched devil lies in hiding? The devil always desires to imitate God in this way. He cannot bear to observe God speaking. If he cannot prevent it or hinder God’s Word by force, he opposes it with a semblance of piety, takes the very words God had spoken and so twist them as to peddle his lies and poison under their name. (What Luther Says, II: 10007)
Thanks for your reply. It is a good question. But, when people are starving and dying, triage becomes a consideration.
Also there are Jesus’s words: “They will know you are my disciples by how you love one to another. And, you may remember St. Francis’s: “Preach always and when necessary, use words.”
In my own life, I’ve found many cases where it is best when people ask first. Maybe it’s a case that you have something good, you don’t have to force it on others, folks steal it. :)
Are you referring to Luther or Mother Teresa? I have trouble keeping up with which of your many nonobjective standards are being used on any specific topic.
It seems to me that if Christ could feed 5000+ people he could just as easily feed every hungry person in Israel. Yet he didn’t.
If Christ had control over the weather such to be able to stop one storm he could easily control the weather all the time. Yet he didn’t.
Nor did raise every believer that died as he did Lazarus though he could.
But by these we can see what he will do as King of the Kingdom since ‘all authority has been given him in heaven and on earth’. (Matt. 28:18)
Yes, He could feed all the hungry, clothe all the naked and visit all those in prison.
Maybe He left some of that for us to do.
LOL. I don't have the background? Oh, I'm slain through the heart.
If this were not so, there’d be some point to reply to you.
I've noticed that when RC apologists are losing a debate and can't think of anything to say their posts get nastier and more personal.
I’m happy to debate. And have done so with those giving it a good try. I enjoy it and I think both sides of the debate can benefit from it, as well as honoring our values.
I think it requires trying to get the other’s view correct, and attempting to understand them with some measure of respect.
I don’t feel it is nasty to require this or explain it or point out when it is lacking.
Well, as Christ said, “you will always have the poor”, so feeding them would never end no matter our efforts but he said, ‘the gospel, the good new of his kingdom, would be preached in all the earth and then the end would come’, so I say one could look to an end of one as a future goal but the other was like dipping the ocean dry with a spoon.
In other words those who ate the bread Jesus provided grew old or died by other means yet those who believed whether eating or not had a chance at eternal life.
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure." -- Isaiah 46:10
This is not a debate or a game, it is a dead serious refutation of reformist and calvinist lies. Stating and reiteration of the truth in defense of the Catholic Church is not done to win some sort of contest or to declare oneself the victor, it is done because it is right.
Why don’t you buy the book, too, and read it?
Then our opinions will carry more weight.
And when you get around to doing that be sure to ping me.
"but you will not always have me." I think that colors it differently.
Perhaps more so when we consider His words:
Then the righteous will answer him, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?” And the king will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.”
Any time a Christian feeds the hungry or clothes the naked, Christ is doing it.
If those things are done by men without faith, then they do the work themselves; a work which will not save them because "whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
PING!
"Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain who build it." - Psalms 127:1
"...and there shall be one fold and one shepherd."- John 10:16
We are commanded by Scripture to be of one mind, in one spirit, and with one mouth to glorify GOD. - Romans 15:5-6, Philippians 1:27, 2:2
"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all say the same thing; and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be perfectly united in one mind and in one judgment." - 1Corinthians 1:10
There is a steady increase in the acceleration rate of the endless splitting of the Body of Christ by non-Catholic ecclesial communities, despite these commands directly from God. In 1600, due to the Protestant reformation, there were more than 100 splits into various sects. By 1900, there were around 1000. By 1981 there were more than 20,700. Today there are over 33,800* splits in the Body of Christ and all, save one, were founded by mere human creatures. Non-Catholic ecclesial communities have increased in number by about 65% in only twenty years. - *World Christian Encyclopedia, April 2001, a Protestant publication.
"GOD is not the author of confusion..."- 1Corinthians 14:33
Its the perfect excuse to do nothing at all.
Then the trouble you're having is with your own post.
I responded to your post wherein you quoted Luther.
Is your post so forgettable its own author doesn't recall what it's about?
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