Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

Dr. E: When a person such as yourself says they don't believe the Bible to be inspired by God, it does seem useless to post Scripture to prove you wrong.

That's because the Bible has been altered so many times that one can never know which parts are inspired and which profane. Even if it were not altered, we can not know, short of an a priori leap of faith that it is inspired; and then it is not knowlegde but a blind belief.

Dr. E: "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. " -- Matthew 10:32-33

Poor Peter! : )

Dr. E: No doubt her torment was real. To be without Christ is a frightening place to be.

How do you know that?

Before we became Christians we are slaves to sin. Our wills are bound to this slavery.

Lets put this through the test....

A non Christian soldier in combat throws himself on a grenade to save a Christian soldier's life.

According to your theory the non Christian is a slave to sin,thus by jumping on the grenade he must have committed a sin since he is a slave and bound to sin.

The other explanation of this is since you deny free will is that God wanted to play army that day and planned to blow up the person destined for hell for his good pleasure

Strange belief system you have either way.

A non Christian soldier in combat throws himself on a grenade to save a Christian soldier's life. According to your theory the non Christian is a slave to sin...

That isn't "MY" theory. That is a direct quotation from the word of God.

However noble the non-Christian ONE act might have been, it does nothing to please God. God states that every one of us has a time to be born and a time to die. It is up to God as to when and how we'll die.

Strange belief system you have either way.

I can't help it if you disagree with St. Paul. What is stranger than my belief system is that you believe throwing yourself on a grenade will save your soul.

You folks are a joy. I consider my privilege to learn so much more that I ought to know and don't. It is a pleasure.

Proverbs 10:1 1 The Proverbs of Solomon: A wise son makes his father glad, but a foolish son is a grief to his mother. 2 Ill-gotten treasures profit nothing, but virtue saves from death. 3 The LORD permits not the just to hunger, but the craving of the wicked he thwarts. 4 The slack hand impoverishes, but the hand of the diligent enriches. 5 A son who fills the granaries in summer is a credit; a son who slumbers during harvest, a disgrace. 6 Blessings are for the head of the just, but a rod for the back of the fool. 7 The memory of the just will be blessed, but the name of the wicked will rot. 8 A wise man heeds commands, but a prating fool will be overthrown. 9 He who walks honestly walks securely, but he whose ways are crooked will fare badly. 10 He who winks at a fault causes trouble, but he who frankly reproves promotes peace. 11 A fountain of life is the mouth of the just, but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.

I do not detect violence, but wisdom...

However noble the non-Christian ONE act might have been, it does nothing to please God

Unconditional acts of love are from God

I can't help it if you disagree with St. Paul.

Your idea is paulism that calls good evil and what Christ says

"No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends."- John 15:13

This is what the non Christian soldier did by giving his life for his friend

Harley; whom do you believe that the Beatitudes are directed towards?

Mat 5:1-2 and seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Well, according to scripture, after our Lord Jesus saw the multitudes he went up into a mountain. His disciples had to travel up that mountain. And then the scriptures tells us that He taught them. So I would say the Beatitudes were taught to the disciples as the scriptures states.

We might put John 15: into context. There is more...

John 15: 1 1 2 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower. 2 He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes 3 so that it bears more fruit. 3 You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you. 4 Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.

6 4 Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 By this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples. 9 As the Father loves me, so I also love you. Remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love. 11 "I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete. 12 This is my commandment: love one another as I love you.

13 5 No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master is doing. I have called you friends, 6 because I have told you everything I have heard from my Father. 16 It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. 17 This I command you: love one another.

Some may believe in slavery; Jesus tells us that we are no longer slaves. But those who do not bear fruit ie works are pruned. Jesus chose us all and appointed us to bear the fruit that He wills. Those who do not, He will reject based upon the fruits which are non existent or not to His liking. We can do nothing without Him; but if we do nothing, we will be without Him.

Jesus tells us that we will remain in His love ie eternal salvation if and only if we love Him and each other.

Quick post.

Irresistible grace is not part of what any synod that I am familiar with teaches.

The 10,000 ft view of what I was taught, and what most synods that I know of teach, is that God makes the first move. We can not by our own reason or strength know or love God. The example that I was taught as a teenager was that a nomad living on the plains of what is now Russia in the year 40 AD would likely not have heard of Jesus. He would not, by his own reason, have a chance to know Him. Could that nomad have been saved? Well God can do what he wants, but if he was it was not the normal way.

How ever, we can reject God. As you said, forced love is not love it is rape (to be crude). Of those that I grew up with, even in my own family, some have rejected God. They did so by their own choice. Were they predestined to fall away and go to hell? No, that is not what the LCMS (or any) Lutheran Synod teaches. For one thing, double predestination was explicitly rejected. While there is life, there is hope. So to say that those who have (or appear to) fall away are damned is something we can't say. For we are not God, and exist in time while He does not.

And you are right in that we Lutherans do not view things the same as the Catholic, or the Orthodox. If we did, we would probably be in Communion with one or the other. But then again, there are differences between the two also.

Well, according to scripture, after our Lord Jesus saw the multitudes he went up into a mountain. His disciples had to travel up that mountain. And then the scriptures tells us that He taught them. So I would say the Beatitudes were taught to the disciples as the scriptures states.

And if there were nothing else, that would be a good proof. However, if you go through Chapter 5, 6 and to 7 (a continuous teaching with no break in teaching or crowd movement or any other difference to the condition at the beginning of Matthew 5), we have:

Matthew 7: 28 13 When Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, 29 14 for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.

The crowds, Harley. The great crowds from:

Matthew 4:24 12 His fame spread to all of Syria, and they brought to him all who were sick with various diseases and racked with pain, those who were possessed, lunatics, and paralytics, and he cured them. 25 And great crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis, 13 Jerusalem, and Judea, and from beyond the Jordan followed him.

Therefore, I believe that the Beatitudes teaching only to the disciples is a wrong interpretation and the Church interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount (same as the Sermon on the Plains which is clearly addressed to all the people) to the crowds which followed Him is the correct one.

How do we know that the Sermon on the Plain is directed to the crowds?

Luke 7:1 2 When he had finished all his words to the people, he entered Capernaum.

Not just to the disciples, but to the people who followed Him.

Then what do you make of Christ's own words, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

That may appear to be cherry-picking a verse, but I am certain many sermons have been preached just on those few words alone. For one thing, it's a caveat: "Greater love hath no man than this" with a specific act attached, dying in the place of another. That's not general, that's not symbolic, that's not an allegory. It's a clear, concise statement of the greatest love that a man can have. It is my opinion that Christ will not disregard that supreme act of sacrifice; you may differ.

In my opinion, that's the same thing Mother Teresa did: In spite of her private doubts, she acted on her belief in God's call. In spite of her spiritual poverty, she treated each poor person she cared for as if the person were Christ, acting on Christ's words, "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these, ye have done it unto me." She did this for decades, to the best of her ability. She spent her life for others. She trained followers, she prayed no matter how she felt; she worked every day -- that's giving up her life for Christ, her Friend.

Is non-belief or doubt a sin too great for Christ to conquer? In my opinion, no. In a spiritual desert, when one does not have a sense of the Presence of the Savior, it is a failure of perception, not of Grace. When we are depressed, we may not be sensible of the angelic choir, but that does not mean they do not sing. Exhausted, we may lack the comfort of hope, but everything remains in God's Saving Hands.

So, in spite of your theory, even a slave to sin may be a child of God. God, the Author of Nobility, is not indifferent to it. God, the Father of Love, sees His own. Human judgement is fallible. He sees the heart.

The crowds, Harley. The great crowds from:

You do understand that there CAN be crowds of disciples, even if they're not sitting in Europe's cathedrals.

Therefore, I believe that the Beatitudes teaching only to the disciples is a wrong...

Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Mat 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
Mat 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.

These are not word to unbelievers. But people can believe whatever they want.

Harley; this does not become you. The crowds of people are believers, potential believers, wanna be believers, the curious and, really all of us. The crowds who followed Him - why would they do that if they were not at least curious? This is Israel from 2000 years ago. People didn't have campers or Holiday Inns or commuter trains. If they wanted to follow an itinerant preacher, they damn well had better outfit themselves for a very long walk lasting weeks. How far can you comfortably walk a day? 20 miles? With your family? 15 miles? How far and how long did these people travel to see Him preach?

Yet you dismiss them all as unbelievers and deny the very words of Matthew and Luke both as to who Jesus preached to with a wave of your Reformed hand. On another thread, I just had a Reformed dismiss Paul's teachings on the Crucifixion with a wave of her hand. Here, you seemingly dismiss the identification of Matthew and Luke as to whom the message was directed with a wave of your hand. Tell me, how much Scripture is actually left in your Bible?

In spite of her private doubts, she acted on her belief in God's call. In spite of her spiritual poverty, she treated each poor person she cared for as if the person were Christ, ... She spent her life for others. She trained followers, she prayed no matter how she felt; she worked every day -- that's giving up her life for Christ, her Friend.

Mother Teresa was not saved by how much she did. Everyone is saved by placing their faith in our Lord Jesus' saving work on the cross. We are sanctified by His blood.

Any good works that we may happen to have is a direct result of God working through us. He is the vine. We are the branches. She might have acted upon God's calling but it was God who called her.

Elijah asked God to take his life because he thought that he was alone. God told him that he still had 6,000 people "who had not bowed their knees to Baal" hidden in caves. Every Christian has a purpose, whether it's chopping up the priest of Baal or hiding in a cave until called upon. But it is all God's work. Your works are no better or worst than Mother Teresa. They're just different according to the plan God has for you. They're all created by Christ and given to you as a gift. Sometimes you can see them. Sometimes you can't. But they are promised to us and they are there.

I wouldn't dolt on how much sacrificing Mother Teresa did. You're just as important in God's kingdom and you produce fruit according to the talents God has given you.

According to what you just said this does not please God and it would not matter to God if she had the Abortion

Why on earth should God care just because someone fails to do ONE sin? There is NOTHING that pleases God except perfection-and that perfection is found only in His Son. If you doubt me just ask Adam who one little indiscretion was enough to cast his entire ancestors into the flaming torments of hell for all eternity. Do you honestly believe that living a "good" life will save you? Is there anywhere in scripture that states,

"If thou wilt fall on a hand grenade for thy brother or not seek an abortion, thou wilt be saved."

Irresistible grace is not part of what any synod that I am familiar with teaches

Well, diversity has never been in short supply in the Portestant movement. Protestants always have a choice of siding with Arminius or Calvin.

Were they predestined to fall away and go to hell? No, that is not what the LCMS (or any) Lutheran Synod teaches

So, the Missouri Synod does not teach that God predestines some to slavation?

So to say that those who have (or appear to) fall away are damned is something we can't say

Doesn't your Synod teach sola fide? Doesn't that mean that man is saved by faith alone and nothning esle?

Where does free will come in and for what reason?

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