Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[OLD REGGIE]

It means that we will all be resurrected. The Nicene Creed is the Creed professed by all nominal Christians; the Apostles' Creed dates back to the second century. I am not aware of exceptions.

Are you deliberately missing the point or is this another smoke screen?

The "ALL" who will be resurrected must include your man made "Saints" and precludes the Bodily Assumption of any person prior to the Second Coming of Jesus.

Hint: Really read, and pay attention to, the ATHANASIAN CREED which you posted.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

All your defenses are not describing Mother Teresa. Forty years of her own letters tell us she doubted the existence of the Triune God; she doubted Christ's divinity; she doubted He died for her sins; she doubted she was saved and she had stopped praying.

Rome has concocted a figment of its imagination. That figment did not exist. Instead, she was a tormented and sad woman who was weighted down with fear and doubt.

I can understand why this appeals to you.

It doesn't to most Christians. That's not how they have learned Christ.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

If she stopped believing in God and salvation, then her perseverance is that much more commendable, because she did not expect any rewards,

Why is it "that much more commendable?"

Paul said "anything not of faith is sin."

So the good offerings of pagans amount to nothing.

Yes, she was a hard worker. No, she was not the model for Christian faith nor practice. Her disbelief does not save her; it condemns her.

We can only hope she changed her mind before she died.

[kosta50]

• Now how does this differ from Catholic doctrine?

Pelagianism and Semi-Pelaginaism state that man makes the first move (which in Pelagaionism is the only move and in Semi-Pelaginaism is followed by grace).

The problem with both is that in the former God does nothing, and in the latter God follows man!

The Church doctrine states: God calls and man either follows God or refuses.

Calvinism says God hijacks your soul and makes you a slave.

The reality on the ground shows that Calvinists are wrong or else they would all be walking on water...

[OLD REGGIE]

No doubt you will fill us in on the correct history.

It's an impossibility. I'll be long gone, cremated, and my ashes scattered in the ocean, "Filling" you in on hundreds of years of history.

I suspect that the bucket is empty. Nice bluff, though.

The truth is my bucket is not large enough to contain the entire history of the Islam/Christian conquests/Wars/Crusades. I wouldn't pretend to "fill you in on the correct history" simply because I am not knowledgeable enough and, if I were, there isn't enough time to do so even assuming you had a serious interest.

The fact that you were able to distill this history in a two line pop indicates you are using a bottomless bucket or have settled on a drive-by baloney shooting cannon.

[MarkBsnr]

Usually, my posts are filled with Scripture,

The evidence of that statement is nowhere on this forum.

Oh, that's right, you were educated in the American public school system. Perhaps the allies of the NEA and the public educational system should renounce that alliance, shut down the public schools which rank somewhere after Mozambique and Papua New Guinea in effectiveness. If we could simply close down all public schools and replace them with Catholic schools, we could reclaim our former position at or near the top of the list.

Occasionally, you post snippets of Scripture with no explanation or reason.

Do you need a man to interpret Scriptures for you? Do you need reason to post the Gospels? Very well. It is very indicative that you indicate that you need explanations of Scripture. Perhaps your Gnosticism is inadequate after all.

1 Timothy 2: 8 3 It is my wish, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or argument. 9 Similarly, (too,) women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, 10 but rather, as befits women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. 11 A woman must receive instruction silently and under complete control.

12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. 4 She must be quiet.

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Further, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. 15 But she will be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

This means that Paul experienced these in his day, too, and knew the harm that they could do.

I don't mind. It helps to differentiate the light from the darkness.

Good. Here's some more illumination for you on the expectations of Jesus.

Luke 6: 27 12 "But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the person who takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and from the one who takes what is yours do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 For if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same. 34 If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit (is) that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, and get back the same amount. 35 But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as (also) your Father is merciful.

37 13 "Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. 38 Give and gifts will be given to you; a good measure, packed together, shaken down, and overflowing, will be poured into your lap. For the measure with which you measure will in return be measured out to you." 39 And he told them a parable, "Can a blind person guide a blind person? Will not both fall into a pit? 40 No disciple is superior to the teacher; but when fully trained, every disciple will be like his teacher. 41 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own? 42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,' when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother's eye.

43 14 "A good tree does not bear rotten fruit, nor does a rotten tree bear good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not pick figs from thornbushes, nor do they gather grapes from brambles. 45 A good person out of the store of goodness in his heart produces good, but an evil person out of a store of evil produces evil; for from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks. 46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' but not do what I command?

Why, indeed?

[MarkBsnr]

Therefore, the Church teaches that the essential elements of salvation are Grace first, and free will second. God offers, man accepts; God leads, man follows—freely.

Yes. God knocks on the door to your heart; it is up to you to open it to Him. God would dwell in all men. But men can still reject Him.

1 Timothy 2: 1 1 First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, 2 for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. 3 This is good and pleasing to God our savior, 4 who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3: 9 The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard "delay," but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, 8 and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire, and the earth and everything done on it will be found out. 11 9 Since everything is to be dissolved in this way, what sort of persons ought (you) to be, conducting yourselves in holiness and devotion, 12 10 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved in flames and the elements melted by fire.

and of course:

John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that he gave 7 his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn 8 the world, but that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

God wants all to be saved; not all will be saved...

[kosta50]

• Forty years of her own letters tell us she doubted the existence of the Triune God; she doubted Christ's divinity; she doubted He died for her sins; she doubted she was saved and she had stopped praying.

That's right: she doubted the Jesus story, the God Christianity created. She doubted the whole nine yards because the story doesn't fit the real world.

• Rome has concocted a figment of its imagination.

And what other Christians preach is a "fact?"

• That figment did not exist. Instead, she was a tormented and sad woman who was weighted down with fear and doubt.

That's correct. It doesn't exist. The reality does not fit the Christian theodicy. She wouldn't be the first to leave the faith over this.

• I can understand why this appeals to you.

There's hope for you, then. : )

• It doesn't to most Christians. That's not how they have learned Christ.

Most Christians have never faced the reality she faced.

[OLD REGGIE]

As for those who were bodily assumed to heaven (which is in the Bible, such as Enoch), I don’t know exactly what type of body they have at the moment. I can wait to find out.

Scripture?

[kosta50]

• Why is it "that much more commendable?"

Because she did it out of pure mercy.

• Paul said "anything not of faith is sin."

Paul also  says he was "all things to all men." That's as fake as a three-dollar bill.

• So the good offerings of pagans amount to nothing

And why should I believe someone who will say anything to anyone as long as they buy what he is offering?

• Yes, she was a hard worker. No, she was not the model for Christian faith nor practice. Her disbelief does not save her; it condemns her.

Why? Because your "god" Paul says so? Well, your God Jesus says the merciful shall receive mercy.

• We can only hope she changed her mind before she died.

Hope? You seem to already know! Didn't you say few posts ago she died in disbelief?

[OLD REGGIE]

That's not what she said. According to her own words, she died without faith.

A mysterious Priest showed up and re-converted her just before she passed. (Of course there were no witnesses.)

[Running On Empty]

“We do not know what our trials will be and whether we will pass them or fail, until we do”.

Interesting that you should write this just as I was reading these words of the newly-Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman:

“We can never answer how we will act under new circumstances. A very little knowledge of life and of our hearts will teach us this.”

[MarkBsnr]

Yeah, I couldn’t see Cliffie in that role...but Norm? Nooorrrmmm, werks fer me. Cheers! ;o)

Yes way!!! I just thought that Peter Cushing could also play a great John Calvin. Google up a picture of him at his best and you'll see!!!!

[MarkBsnr]

My understanding of the Unitarians is that they are open to all.

From the uua.org website:

Principles

There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:

The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

Unitarian Universalism (UU) draws from many sources:

Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
Wisdom from the world’s religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God’s love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.
These principles and sources of faith are the backbone of our religious community.

I think that they can believe darn near anything that they want from any source, any religion or anything that they trip over. Reggie might have some more to say on such things.

[redgolum]

That is Calvin, not Luther.

[wagglebee]

By far the best person for Calvin would be F. Murray Abraham.

[MarkBsnr]

Are you deliberately missing the point or is this another smoke screen? Neither.

The "ALL" who will be resurrected must include your man made "Saints" and precludes the Bodily Assumption of any person prior to the Second Coming of Jesus.

I don't have any man made "Saints". How do you know what it precludes?

Hint: Really read, and pay attention to, the ATHANASIAN CREED which you posted.

Okay.

[MarkBsnr]

Try the very next post.

[MarkBsnr]

I see what you mean but I'd still go with Cushing as Calvin.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"Yes, she was a hard worker. No, she was not the model for Christian faith nor practice. Her disbelief does not save her; it condemns her."

Why? Because your "god" Paul says so?

Paul is not my God, nor was he his own god, like those who think they know better than the word of God.

When a person such as yourself says they don't believe the Bible to be inspired by God, it does seem useless to post Scripture to prove you wrong.

But I'll try anyway. It's good practice.

You dispute that Mother Teresa's unbelief condemns her. Don't take my word for it or even Paul's...

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." -- Matthew 12:36-37

Mother Teresa's lack of faith in Christ and disbelief in God reveals that the Spirit of God was not in her. If she had known Christ, she would have declared Christ.

Who do you thank if you don't believe in God?

"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. " -- Matthew 10:32-33

No doubt her torment was real. To be without Christ is a frightening place to be.