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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: Judith Anne
"simple Jewish girl" that God chose to be the Mother of His only begotten Son

The Incarnation. A simple statement of an event in history that changed everything. Some can spend a lifetime contemplating this and still…

As you say, though in different terms, understanding who Mary is is crucial to understanding who Christ is. A problem of Mariology reflects problems in Christology.

6,641 posted on 09/22/2010 1:06:33 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Rather only faith sustained her.

That is not what she said.

She said she had lost her faith. She said she doubted the existence of God. She questioned Christ.

Her faith did not sustain her.

6,642 posted on 09/22/2010 1:07:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Therefore her faith did not sustain her. For decades.

Okay, I give up. If her faith did not sustain Mother Teresa, what did?

6,643 posted on 09/22/2010 1:07:56 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Good night, Judith.

Oh? What makes you say that?

6,644 posted on 09/22/2010 1:10:54 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: D-fendr

Well said.


6,645 posted on 09/22/2010 1:11:55 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Oh, but it did, obviously so.

We all, or most perhaps, have times and events in our lives question our beliefs. If we live long enough, our faith will be tested.

I only pray my faith is as strong as Mother Teresa’s in those times.


6,646 posted on 09/22/2010 1:11:55 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Judith Anne
That's a good question. Beats me. Probably the same thing that sustains all atheists who have a job and get up in the morning and do that job. Habit. Inertia. Self-esteem. Worldly accolades.

But what we do know is that it was not her Christian faith that sustained her. She said she had lost her faith. She said she doubted God's existence. She said she questioned Christ.

For decades.

6,647 posted on 09/22/2010 1:12:20 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That's a good question. Beats me. Probably the same thing that sustains all atheists who have a job and get up in the morning and do that job. Habit. Inertia. Self-esteem. Worldly accolades.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Mother Teresa, the atheist! That's a good one! Is that the official OPC position on Mother Teresa?

6,648 posted on 09/22/2010 1:14:29 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: D-fendr
More than four decades of not believing in God is a long time to question God. She died not believing in Him.

I only pray my faith is as strong as Mother Teresa’s in those times.

When fact conflicts with the legend, print the legend.

Roman Catholics believe in a woman who didn't exist.

6,649 posted on 09/22/2010 1:16:12 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne
What do you call someone who doesn't believe in God?

It really is fascinating how Roman Catholics habitually refuse to read or understand the written word, whether it's the word of God or the word of a nun.

The woman herself told us she didn't believe in God and that she worried she had wasted her life serving a Savior who didn't exist.

6,650 posted on 09/22/2010 1:19:29 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And yet she continued her work. She did not stop, did not stop praying, did not stop in her compassion for those whose lot was the worst. She lived what Christ asked of us all - and we don’t come close.

She continued thinking she had lost faith- felt it was renewed, then lost again. She wrote about it to her superiors and asked that the letters be destroyed less “people will think more of me—less of Jesus.”

Faith to continue when you believe you’ve lost faith, faith that it will return. Faith that your purpose is to do what Jesus did.

What sustains us on this path even when we feel we have lost our faith - what else can be evidence of the deepest faith, to continue on on the same path?

Faith.


6,651 posted on 09/22/2010 1:20:33 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Judith Anne
"Good night, Judith."

Oh? What makes you say that?

The same thing that makes me say this...

Good night, Judith.

6,652 posted on 09/22/2010 1:20:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: D-fendr
did not stop praying,

She said she had stopped praying.

Sorry, but your pleasant picture of the woman's soul is not reflected in her own words.

I understand the desire of Roman Catholics to rewrite her life and thoughts and fears and lack of faith, but perhaps a better use of their time would be to find out what it was about her particular faith that did not sustain her. Why did it evaporate when she needed it most?

Remember, your platitudes sound lovely, but she did not share them. She denied them.

6,653 posted on 09/22/2010 1:24:23 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
she worried she had wasted her life serving a Savior who didn't exist.

And yet she never stopped serving Him.

Blessed are the poor in spirit.

6,654 posted on 09/22/2010 1:25:40 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
More than four decades of not believing in God is a long time to question God. She died not believing in Him.

Roman Catholics believe in a woman who didn't exist.

What do you mean, "believe in"? Mother Teresa lived, there is nothing to "believe" or "not believe."

And your statement, "She died not believing in Him" is just foolish conjecture. You were not present at her death, you have NO IDEA what she believed or didn't believe. Really nice of the OPC to denigrate Mother Teresa. Is tht the official OPC position? Or the Chris Hitchens position?

6,655 posted on 09/22/2010 1:28:28 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
She died not believing in Him.

Only she and God knows this.

Her belief came and went and came again, and went again. She didn't know if it would return or not.

But, she did not stop, she did not leave her work, her order, her Church.

Most of us would not even begin her commitment to service; precious few would have continued in times of doubt.

We can't claim to pass a test before we have taken; and we never know what tests lie before us.

6,656 posted on 09/22/2010 1:30:58 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The same thing that makes me say this...

Good night, Judith.

That is bizarre.

6,657 posted on 09/22/2010 1:32:03 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: D-fendr

Well said. It is clear that if Calvin’s kids suffered the same doubts as Mother Teresa, they would not persevere, they’d just drop it and walk away from the call of Christ.

Frankly, I shudder to think why anyone would denigrate Mother Teresa’s example. Perhaps they are trying to discourage other Catholics from persisting in service to God. If so, and if they are successful, then God will not hold them blameless.


6,658 posted on 09/22/2010 1:35:01 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
She said she had stopped praying.

And she started again.

Her story is all the more meaningful for all these struggles, in addition to her physical ones.

You may see her as less because of them; others see her as more. She is an inspiration to faith.

6,659 posted on 09/22/2010 1:36:37 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Judith Anne

St. John OTC, after coming through his darkness (if you read the story of his life, and what was done to him “darkness” is too poor a term.), he said that what he realized looking back is that when he felt the most alone was the time when God was closest.


6,660 posted on 09/22/2010 1:40:31 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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