Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[samiam1972]

It’s a shame no one bothered to show up. Looks like a family gathering at my house. ;o)

[wagglebee]

It’s a shame no one bothered to show up. Looks like a family gathering at my house.

Show a little respect, the anti-Catholic FReepers are up for the Baghdad Bob Lifetime Achievement Award and they need all the support they can get.

[kosta50]

• Harley D: Now, does any of us here think we love the Lord with all our hearts, soul and mind? Does anybody here really love their neighbor as themselves? I would suggest we fail on both accounts.

  maryz: Did anyone, anywhere ever suggest that we succeed perfectly? It's the goal toward which we strive

Precisely, and that's what Judaism is all about: a goal to honestly try, even if you honestly fail, to keep all the commandments. The idea is not that he must succeed one hundred percent, but to try one hundred percent of the time.

• So what does "love of neighbor" mean?

In the OT, it means that you should treat another Jew as yourself. Christians expanded "a Jew" to mean "fellow man," to recognize, as you say, that each human being is God's creature capable of being saved through the sacrifice made on the cross.

[kosta50]

What if you assume there are only two kinds of humans, an on/off.

Why is then the "off" human being sent to hell and the "on" human (the one who is actually consciously sinning (!) is "saved"???

[bronx2]

It appears that the reports you mentioned anticipating smaller crowds for the papal visit were exaggerated. Now perhaps is the time for you to accept the Truth who is Jesus in your life and allow the scales of spiritual blindness to fall from your eyes as they did for Paul.

Ian Paisley was in town to greet the Pope so what prevented you from embracing the Truth excising the bigoted ways of a sinful former existence.

Accept Jesus not the lies of Satan.

[Iscool]

In view of this, I would like to ask the RM to check out this source from the links given, and decide if it can be used as a source on FR. With no difficulty, I and others found blatant white supremicist type comments.

I didn't see any racist comments...So post the racist comments you found...You make a serious accusation...Let's see evidence...

[bkaycee]

Accept Jesus not the lies of Satan.

Born Again believers is Christ HAVE accepted Jesus as their only Savior.

Do you really mean accept the Pope and the magisterium?

[wagglebee]

Actually, Paisley was there to protest. He managed to get 200 others to protest with him:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ian-paisley-shows-that-romes-enemies-arent-all-secular-2081691.html

I have no doubt that a group of 200 Calvinist bigots would seem like a huge crowd to someone who was accustomed to a typical OPC congregation of 61.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Nope. Yesterday I read in three papers that 50,000 turned out for his speech at the Newman whatever which is the lower estimate I quoted.

And those "six terrorist street cleaners" were all released with no charges against them.

Oops.

[wagglebee]

Here is a quote from one of the protesters that anti-Catholic bigots are so excited about:

"He looks like a kindly old man, but I am sure Hitler could be perfectly charming at times, too," said Anne Hay, 57, an adult literacy teacher who was on her first demonstration. "I believe in liberal values and the Pope stands for everything that is against those values – rights for women, allowing them to have control over their own bodies, and rights for gay people – and that is before you even start on the paedophile issue," she said.

[bronx2]

Born again believers have only accepted their own prideful sinful self serving interpretation of scripture. These born again hypocrites have Jesus on their lips but not in their heart. They would do well to read Mt 7:21

It would bode well for these born again hypocrites to read MK 8:15 or PS 1i5 5:7 or PS 135:16.

At the final judgment will Jesus, when addressing these born again hypocrites, utter the same destiny for them as He did for Judas in MT 26:24? Terrible outcome for these born again unless some repentance is evidenced.

God bless

[OLD REGGIE]

Simply put, papal infallibility is thanks to the grace of the Holy Spirit when

1.the Pope solemnly declares i.e. TEACHES
2.
3.a teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation, he, under the Holy Spirit's protection is preserved from even the possibility of theological, dogmatic error.

I'll go with number 2. (To be determined as required.)

The Sixth Ecumenical Council infallibly found Honorius guilty of Heresy and Excommunicated him.

The Catholic Church has a unique practice of "Retroactive Definition" in order to explain away past practice.

By his letters Honorius taught error.

[Natural Law]

"That'll leave a mark."

Don't count on it. You can't shame the shameless.

[servantboy777]

ping

[OLD REGGIE]

Time to drop it?

[trisham]

The protests against the Pope were with regards to his position on homosexuality, abortion and other social matters. The only reasonable thing that I can conclude is that the anti-Catholic FReepers who cheer these protesters are doing so because they ALSO support militant homosexualism and abortion.

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You make a good point.

[Cronos]

A very clear note is that Honorius never issued a dogmatic decree in regards to the controversy of Christ's wills

Honorius wrote that, "on account of the simplicity of man and to avoid controversies, we must, as I have already said, define neither one nor two operations in the mediator between God and man" (Scripta dilectissimi filii quoted by William Shaw Kerr in A Handbook on the Papacy 196, emphasis added). he basically said "let's keep quiet and not support either side as that will only cause mischeif"

In order for the case of Honorius to disprove the doctrine of papal infallibility as defined by the First Vatican Council, it is not sufficient to claim the pope was a monothelite. It must be demonstrated (which it cannot) that the pope taught (note: taught, explicitly) heresy as defined by Vatican I (The pope must exercise his office as "teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority," and he must define a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be "held by the whole Church" (Pastor aeternus 4, iv, quoted in The Church Teaches, John F. Clarkson, S.J. et. al, ed., 102).

Remember what we said of "A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible, only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching" Honorius did not teach Monothelitism, all the facts, every history shows that he did NOT teach Monothelitism

[Natural Law]

"The Catholic Church has a unique practice of "Retroactive Definition" in order to explain away past practice."

The Church has repeatedly demonstrated to review and correct past mistakes. This is in stark contrast to whatever moonbat cult you belong to whose member appears to dodge every question and not anything of substance.

[Cronos]

papal infallibility is thanks to the grace of the Holy Spirit when
1.the Pope solemnly declares i.e. TEACHES
2. a teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation,

he, under the Holy Spirit's protection is preserved from even the possibility of theological, dogmatic error.

Pope Honorius did NOT teach Monothelitism in any way, as a solemn teaching to the Church.

Honorius' failing was that he did not condemn the followers of Monothelitism --> he basically said "let's keep quiet and not support either side as that will only cause mischeif"("on account of the simplicity of man and to avoid controversies, we must, as I have already said, define neither one nor two operations in the mediator between God and man"
B Hence there is no question of Honorius and papal infallibility as he never taught for or against the heresy (his failing and why he was rightly condemned was because he did not teach against it, but said shhh)

The council rightly ANATHEMIZED Honorius because Honorius failed to be a bishop and teach against the heresy

[bronx2]

It is time you were held to reality. CBS reported crowds in excess of 65,000 while the NT Times , hardly a papal advocate described the crowds as "Large and Enthusiastic".Perhaps you relied on reports from Bob Jones University. Truth is an important elements which appears to have been the victim of your response.

For a true Christian the focus is not on crowds but on the message. Read Jn 6 65:66. The message of Jesus is rendered notwithstanding the reaction of the popular cultural view.

In like manner, the Pope's message is a contrarian view from that of our secular humanistic agnostic culture and their allies the bigoted fundamentalists/ evangelicals

It would be well for you to accept Jesus as your savior!!