Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[kosta50]

They realized what unites the Christian is faith in Christ

Does that include the LDS and the JW?

What separates Rome from Christianity is, well Rome. The same Rome that schmoozes with Muslims calls us heretics

By your definition, as long as they have faith in Christ they are united with the rest of Christians. So, which is it?

[RnMomof7]

So the question is, What should a good Protestant be like... or even who?

I do not know about protestants in general, but the saved Protestant should be celebrating the work of Christ to satisfy the wrath of God against us , to save us and give us a clean conscience

How should the saved act? Like ones freed from the condemnation of the law, that are free to live out and celebrate the plan of God He has ordained for us.. not out of fear, but out of sheer joy !

[OLD REGGIE]

Agatho thereby provided the tacit basis for the condemnation of Honorius on these grounds: that by neglecting to preach the truth, Honorius left the Lord's flock exposed to ravaging wolves, as indeed the monothelite Eastern Patriarchs were and under whom the faithful suffered for many years.

I it is generally expected that when entire passages are "lifted" proper attribution is given. In any event the following Apologetics article presents an unofficial view.

CATHOLIC CULTURE.ORG - Guilty Only of Failure To Teach

Of course Honorius was found guilty of Heresy and excommunicated by the "Infallible" Sixth Ecumenical Council.

[1000 silverlings]

Are Catholics freed from the condemnation of the Law?

[RnMomof7]

Are Catholics freed from the condemnation of the Law?

Only those that have repented and come in faith to Christ, and trusted Him for their salvation are free from the Law..

The Catholic church returned to the OT for salvation by the law and works and sacrifices..

[1000 silverlings]

So those who deliberately choose to live under a Law, must keep it in it's entirety or risk being lost. They run for a prize that's already been awarded. Plus they run futilely as no one in the history of mankind has ever kept the Law. Or was Jesus wrong

[OLD REGGIE]

The council's judgment is consistent with Agatho's letter.

It made a distinction between the fault of Sergius and Cyrus on the one hand and that of Honorius on the other. A reading of the condemnation reveals Honorius is neither grouped with nor shares the same fault of those "whose doctrines" were execrated—i.e., Sergius, Cyrus, etc.

While Honorius is anathematized "with them"—that is, sharing a similar punishment—it is not because of any doctrine attributable to him. Honorius is condemned because of what the council "found written by him to Sergius;" in which letters Honorius "followed his [Sergius's] view" about keeping silent and thus "confirmed his [Sergius's] impious doctrines" (Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 343).

Ho Hum CatholicCulture.org again

[OLD REGGIE]

Likewise, Pope Leo II (682-683) faulted Honorius because he "did not endeavor to preserve" the faith and for having "permitted" it to be assaulted, but not for having either invented, taught, or adhered to the heretical doctrine (Paul Bottalla, S.J., Pope Honorius Before the Tribunal of Reason and History, 111-112). Elsewhere, Leo blames "Honorius, who did not, as became the apostolic authority, extinguish the flame of heretical teaching in its first beginning, but fostered it by his negligence" (Leonis II ad Episcopos Hispanie in the Catholic Encyclopedia, 7:455; emphasis added). In sum, Honorius failed to teach.

HMMM - One more time - CatholicCulture.org again

[OLD REGGIE]

Re: Honorius.

I am tired of this cut and paste merry go round.

When you have some Official Catholic Church information let me know.

[Natural Law]

"I have no doubt that you will make up something personal about me concerning that."

I have long wondered at the insistence that we refrain from using the "L" word in the religion forum when no other word satisfies the situation. A lie (also called prevarication, falsehood) is a known untruth expressed as truth.

The benefit of the doubt can be extended when one initially presents a falsehood because the argument can be made that it is not known to be an untruth. However, when the error has been addressed and corrected all subsequent tellings are indeed lies and those perpetuating the now known untruth are liars. This does not mean that we presume motive. That is irrelevant. Rules that we not recognize and acknowledge this require that we participate in the lie.

There are at least a dozen thematic lies told about the Catholic Church, its history, dogma and clergy told by an equal number of liars. It would be very easy to compile a listing of both. Forum rules require this too remain unspoken. One has to question the legitimacy if not the sanity of a forum that in effect values the lie above the truth and protects the liar above those that simply recognize the lie.

Qui Bono? Certainly not God, civility, the truth or Free Republic.

[OLD REGGIE]

What about in the Unitarian group — your group takes in Wiccans, Atheists, etc. right?

What about in the Unitarian group — your group takes in Wiccans, Atheists, Catholics, etc. right?

Yes.

[RnMomof7]

So those who deliberately choose to live under a Law, must keep it in it's entirety or risk being lost. They run for a prize that's already been awarded. Plus they run futilely as no one in the history of mankind has ever kept the Law. Or was Jesus wrong

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

This is most stirring of scripture on that..if you lie, you will be judged as a murderer. That is why Jesus came to free us from the burden of the Law, by keeping it perfectly for us..

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[OLD REGGIE]

I shall now hold that against you and make it a reference point for numerous future posts. :-)

Fine with me. Add "senile" if you wish. (I can accept almost any insult from another old timer.) :-)

[OLD REGGIE]

Can we let it go now?

I'm not the one who is keeping the subject open.

[MarkBsnr]

Then I'm afraid you are sorely lacking in MDRI.

Matthew 14:27 :)

[OLD REGGIE]

And, OR, I am not in the habit of engaging with you, so I will return to my silence where you are concerned. I have no doubt that you will make up something personal about me concerning that.

I can't help myself you sweet thing.

[MarkBsnr]

Cross eyed.

Not according to my last physical.

[1000 silverlings]

reminds me of Sisyphus, roll that boulder up to one Sunday and by the next it’s rolled downhill

[OLD REGGIE]

More baloney from the bologna factory

That's what I call bringing something meaningful to the table/s.

A claim which begins with "All Protestants" is necessarily boloney.

But since I have your attention, could you please tell me how can a "saved" Protestant lose his salvation.

I don't answer stupid questions.

[1000 silverlings]

If one doesn't trust in Christ to save him, I wonder that he can claim to be, or even think of himself, as a Christian. After all, a Christian believes that Christ is who he says he is, and will do what he says he will do.

Someone intent on keeping a system of law is basically an unbeliever, which is why it's so much easier I guess to have all the other helpers, the church, their own works, Mary, the so called saints, angels, the pope, the magisterium all jumping into the drowning zone with him