Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[OLD REGGIE]

The first limbus patrum IS doctrine seen as the temporary state of those who, in spite of the personal sins they may have committed, died in the friendship of God, but could not enter Heaven until redemption by Jesus Christ made it possible. That should be clear,right?

The first limbus patrum IS NOTdoctrine.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So we see, the doctrine of total depravity leaves no room for human dignity.

Nonsense. Human dignity is the result of Christ's covering -- His dignity His righteousness; His obedience, mercifully imputed to His children.

Roman Catholics think their church and their own good works save them.

Protestants believe God's unearned gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ saves them.

Who boasts?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

My tail is wagging, so it’s fine with me. 8~)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen, RnMom!

We experience our sanctification by the Holy Spirit.

But our justification is a work of God according to the free gift of Christ's atonement of our sins.

Rome and to a lesser degree Arminians confuse and mingle sanctification with justification. But they are two separate actions of God, each for a specific purpose.

God, the Father, elects.

God, Christ the Son, justifies and redeems.

God, the Holy Spirit, sanctifies and enables repentance, obedience and faith.

[IrishCatholic]

No it isn't a mischaracterization. It is accurate. I noticed you pinged most of the usual suspects, so I do include you in that group.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
John Adams

Plus, I am familiar with your statements on once being Catholic. I'm sorry you either had a poor catechisis, or completely misunderstood it. I have also seen your posts on other threads. It is hard for me to give you any credence on anything Catholic.

Also, I don't think you post in good faith or are an honest person. I have said a prayer for you and the others. It's the best I can do for those that mouth the words but have no love in their hearts.
“...He responded, “Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.’ You disregard God's commandment but cling to human tradition.”
Mark 7:6-8

I still pray you and the others give up your rebellion against Christ.

[OLD REGGIE]

Your comment is indecipherable.

Only to those with the Minimum Daily Requirement of intelligence.

Were you following this particular discussion

Throughout.

Then I'm afraid you are sorely lacking in MDRI.

[count-your-change]

Imaginary and worse, it’s malicious nonsense. The hope for the dead was the resurection from death not spending time in limbo.
If “... limbo essentially is theologically used to mean “I don’t know”,...then read the Scriptures instead of the councils and Church “fathers”.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

To endure to the end and thus be saved s

If we endure to the end we show we are saved.

Once God has forgiven our sins, He remembers them no more. (Hebrews 10.)

"I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake." -- 1 John 2:12

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"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." -- Romans 4:6-8

Our sins are not forgiven because we stop sinning. We sin every day. Our sins are forgiven because Christ has paid for every one of them and God remembers them no more.

So therefore Christians should not think they are spending their time trying to earn heaven, but instead they "work to show themselves approved." They work to illustrate the miracle of God's grace already within them. The good fruit comes from God who made men to differ.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

8~)

[RnMomof7]

To work out ones salvation is pretty easy to understand. To endure to the end and thus be saved seems pretty clear and reflects Paul's comments at Heb. 10:36 and elsewhere that salvation could be gained and lost.

Did he say to work TO BE SAVED?No He did not..this letter was written to the saved.. it was instruction on HOW TO WALK out their salvation not how to be saved

What did Paul tell them about their walk?

Phl 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

Scripture interprets itself with its constancy

Hbr 13:20 ¶ Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever.

2Cr 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

It is God that works in us to do HIS will ...and that is the reassurance that Paul was giving the saved church.. we humans may be fearful and tremble if we are left to ourselves..but fear not as it is God that works His will in you

It is so sad that Cathoics look at the word of God as a paste and copy job instead of reading what it really says

I think you meant Heb 10:26 not 36

Now really read this in the context of the message to the Hebrews

Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

This is a passage that Catholics really need to rake to heart..

It is a warning to members of the church, not become apostate and try to return to the jewish practices because the last sacrifice for sin, the one that FULFILLED the type was Jesus Christ.. there could be no more temple sacrifices for their sin as the final sacrifice had been offered..

Please remember that as one view "the sacrifice of the mass"

There are no more sacrifices that are pleasing to God

[RnMomof7]

AMEN

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The Baltimore Catechism was the official approved Catechism long before the dumbed down one came into use .

Or doesnt this mean anything?

IMPRIMATUR New York, April 6, 1885. John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York. Baltimore, April 6, 1885. "The Catechism ordered by The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compared and examined, is hereby approved." + James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate.

Was the baltimore catechism false teaching??

Amen. And yes, Alex, it's very tricky. 8~)

[RnMomof7]

You know if I hated catholics I would stand back and allow them to follow the pope right into hell

I was well taught and was actually a leader in my diocese. Then one day the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the grace of God ... I wanted to stay catholic, I had ministries I loved, friends I loved and some degree of"position ". My family kept talking to me about tradition .

But one by one God showed me the errors in Catholic doctrine and eventually I had to leave if i was to be true to God and myself

[Judith Anne]

You know if I hated catholics I would stand back and allow them to follow the pope right into hell

Is that what you truly think?

PS, you are not ALLOWING Catholics to do anything. You have no control over anyone's Catholicism, except perhaps to drive us more deeply into our faith.

[RnMomof7]

The multiplicity of theological positions present within the Catholic Church:
These positions vary according to which premises or postulates are used in reflecting on the sources of revelation, according to the methodology employed, and according to the cultural tradition within which theology does its speculation. On the first bases, the two principal philosophical premises are the Platonic, stressed in Augustinianaism; and the Aristotelian, emphasized in Thomism. On the second level, theologies differ in terms of their mainly biblical, or doctrinal, or historical, or pastoral methodology. And on the third basis, the culture of a people helps to shape the theology they develop, as between the more mystical East and the more practical West, or the more reflective Mediterranean and the more scientific Anglo-Saxon. The Church not only permits these diversities but encourages them, always assuming that theologians who are Catholic are also respectful of the rule of faith and obedient to the magisterium of the hierarchy under the Bishop of Rome. -- from the thread Catholic Word of the Day: THEOLOGICAL PLURALISM, 11-10-09

LOL ....that says it all

[count-your-change]

Salvation is conditioned upon endurance and is future,

“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED” (emphasis mine).

It really has nothing to do with earning but with faithfulness, as Paul said at Heb. 10:38,39 even the righteous must be constant in their faith and not shrink back or they would lose God's favor to their destruction.

Again salvation was conditioned upon their continued endurance and not “shrinking back” in unfaithfulness.

[RnMomof7]

So we see, the doctrine of total depravity leaves no room for human dignity.

Nonsense. Human dignity is the result of Christ's covering -- His dignity His righteousness; His obedience, mercifully imputed to His children.

The loss of "human dignity" is reflected in Adam and eve trying to cover their nakedness.. that was a dignity of THEIR own making .. then they did what all the naked do after trying to make themselves dignified.. they ran and hid from God.

God had to call them and make them come out of hiding..just as He does with all the elect..then He covered them with.the flesh and blood of an animal , to symbolize that our nakedness before God only has dignity when Christ is put on

The sin of Adam and Eve made us all totally unable to do anything but try to cover ourselves and then run from the God of creation..

There is no dignity in sinful man , the only dignity we have is found in Christ

Psa 44:8 In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah.

[OLD REGGIE]

"Quite different from what you get in a Roman outpost."

Did you ever participate in the Eucharist at a "Roman outpost" or were your words simply speculative?

Yes, consider how easy it is to participate in the Eucharist in a Catholic Church.

Ted Krennedy? OK.
John Kerry? OK.
Witch? OK.
Clown? OK.

Those nasty Baptists had the nerve to question you on your faith. Shame on them.

[HarleyD]

My own anchor and the basis of my view of reality is that “God is love”

I wouldn't disagree. The issue isn't what God is. Rather the issue is what man is. God is love. Man hates this love:

Joh 3:19-20 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

God is perfect, beauty, love, peace, etc. All those very good quality we crave. Yet unbelievers don't really want them. They do the very thing that is against the nature of God-against perfect love, perfect peace, perfect joy. And as believers were not much different. All we have to do is look in a mirror to understand that while we desire these characteristics of God, it is difficult for us to practice them.

It is because of this very principle that God calls men "wicked", "evil", and "perverse". Men are at eminity with God. I don't understand how anyone can read the OT, especiall the Psalms and not understand this. Here is but a small sample:

Psa 3:6-7 I will not be afraid of many thousands of people who have set themselves against me all around. Arise, O LORD! Save me, O my God! For you strike all my enemies on the cheek; you break the teeth of the wicked.

Psa 5:8-9 Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness because of my enemies; make your way straight before me. For there is no truth in their mouth; their inmost self is destruction; their throat is an open grave; they flatter with their tongue.

Psa 7:10-11 My shield is with God, who saves the upright in heart. God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day.

This is only a very, very small sample of how God views the wicked. It goes on and on and on. Can anyone imagine King David passing out, "God Loves You" t-shirts?

God is love. Man hates this love. That is the problem.

[RnMomof7]

You forgot Pelosi