Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
lolol.
And nothing's changed. As it was then, it still is today.
Where does the money come from for all the ermine stoles and golden chalices and giant cathedrals and Prada shoes and most especially, for the over two billion dollars paid out to settle recent pederast priest sex abuse cases?
From the lost sheep in the pews.
lolol. And a lot of funny Obama jokes.
Both answers can be true though because, one is answering a theological charge, who’s only purpose can be to trap the Church in some theological mistake, while the other is asking an honest, truly human question, that has a truly human need attached.
Sometimes the theological question is a "gotchya" and sometimes it is in response to mistaken arguments by "knowledgeable" Catholics.
This is actually why the Church is quite reticent to define anything dogmatically until and unless there is sufficient reason to do so.
The "sufficient reason" is a matter of debate.
Both answers can be true though because, one is answering a theological charge, who’s only purpose can be to trap the Church in some theological mistake, while the other is asking an honest, truly human question, that has a truly human need attached.
Sometimes the theological question is a "gotchya" and sometimes it is in response to mistaken arguments by "knowledgeable" Catholics.
This is actually why the Church is quite reticent to define anything dogmatically until and unless there is sufficient reason to do so.
The "sufficient reason" is a matter of debate.
Yep. Sometimes it doesn’t matter what’s being said. They just jab, hurl and run.
Doctrine as Silly Putty. You can squeeze it and stretch it into any shape you please! So long as it promotes ongoing papal submission, the ends justify the means. Does the Pope really control a baby's access into/out of Limbo? Believe what you want, but don't forget to kiss the ring.
The multiplicity of theological positions present within the Catholic Church:
These positions vary according to which premises or postulates are used in reflecting on the sources of revelation, according to the methodology employed, and according to the cultural tradition within which theology does its speculation. On the first bases, the two principal philosophical premises are the Platonic, stressed in Augustinianaism; and the Aristotelian, emphasized in Thomism. On the second level, theologies differ in terms of their mainly biblical, or doctrinal, or historical, or pastoral methodology. And on the third basis, the culture of a people helps to shape the theology they develop, as between the more mystical East and the more practical West, or the more reflective Mediterranean and the more scientific Anglo-Saxon. The Church not only permits these diversities but encourages them, always assuming that theologians who are Catholic are also respectful of the rule of faith and obedient to the magisterium of the hierarchy under the Bishop of Rome.
-- from the thread Catholic Word of the Day: THEOLOGICAL PLURALISM, 11-10-09
HMMMMM
Sick and juvenile. There is no valid reason to pose such a question.
Would you kill the seriously ill person who is in a temporary "state of grace" to prevent the possibility of a new sin prior to their natural death?
Now we have two equally stupid questions. Perhaps we can dispense with this type in the future.
WELL PUT.
THX FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
BTW AM [actually, ditto the rest of you, too],
Given the way your mind works . . . post #173
here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2590064/posts?page=173#173
is a long one . . . nevertheless,
I’d be fascinated with your response(s) to any part(s) of it.
It is mostly a bunch of somewhat carefully chosen excerpts—highlights from 6 articles/reports at LMH’s website.
lol.
“A random terrorist,” no doubt. Fire!
Eventually you will lift the coins from your eyes and listen to what the Holy Spirit is persistently trying to tell you; that your Salvation lies in Rome. Why else would a non-Catholic spend so many, many hours on Catholic topic threads if not lead to them by the Holy Spirit.
Precisely wrong as is your cherry picking a few words, widely misunderstood, from Luther's writing.
Nothing misunderstood about them either by sfa, D-fendr or myself. We know the background.
All Protestants believe that nothing they do can lose their salvation (but they haven't read the Bible carefully enough). Rather, they cherry-picked it. And when they encounter "troublesome" verses they change the meaning of Greek to suit their doctrine.
I realize Roman Catholics are unfamiliar with Scripture, but Protestants actually read the good book and try to live by it, according to the will and purpose of God.
(That be you)
"So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the Gospel to you that are at Rome also." -- Romans 1:15 (Me, too. Lucky you)
"For though I preach the Gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" -- 1 Corinthians 9:16 (No woe around these parts)"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature." -- Mark 16:15
Yes “prepare for incoming and wounded: oh wait, prepare for soup”
With all of your scrutiny of the Church you have learned nothing. Catholics are extremely familiar with Scripture, we just don't agree with your interpretations.
Were you honestly concerned for the Godless you would be spending time on Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindu's, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists. i am convinced that your focus on Catholicism is the subliminal hand of the Holy Spirit. Like Paul, one day your eyes will be opened.
1000 silverlings: boy, no kidding
Dr. Eckleburg: Repressed memories can be killers.
I knew when I typed out that very brief description I was opening myself up for this kind of thing. I also knew exactly who to expect. Those comments really were beneath all three of you, that is to say they should be.
In a strictly detached way I liked the "and is", that was a nice twist of the knife, well played. If the blade had actually penetrated it might have hurt. If we were trading fish stories it would have even been funny.
This goes back to my comments, which OLD REGGIE found so condescending, about treating people as persons and not objects for our personal enjoyment, it's difficult to do that when we're separated by pixels. I regularly fail at remembering that the pixels on my screen are the expressions of a human being and it's very hard to keep contempt for an idea from becoming contempt for a person.
I realize that this will tend to draw protests of innocence. In the first place openly posting personal experiences is an invitation for public comments and if this were fark.com who would be surprised at the level of discourse. But here "I'm a Christian, you're a savage beast" kind of dialog should be disturbing, it's not though... so what does that say about Christianity?
I think I have evidence that when it's tried it works. Usually we can tell who's trying and who isn't. This brings us back to the practical differences between Catholicism and whatever is commonly considered "reformed" Christianity. When a Catholic behaves like a jerk or a boor one can point to particular areas where that person has failed to live up to what the Church calls him to. When a Calvinist (for instance) acts a prat what standard is there? What place does human dignity have in a theology which announces total depravity, theoretically or practically?
And BTW, there are no repressed memories, no dark secrets, just pop "Christian" psychology applied by perfectly normal middle American parents doing the best they could trusting the theories of a respected member of their denomination. I'm not going to go into the subject any further because that would truly make this about me and not about my experiences.
Exactly!
"...according to the cultural tradition within which theology does its speculation..."
One of the worse examples of papist appeasement via "cultural tradition" is the fact that Rome believes Muslims are saved (because deluded Rome believes Muslims pray to the same God as Christians) but Protestants are anathematized (damned to hell) for believing men are saved by grace through faith without the works of the law.
Rome lies.
If you don’t want people to comment on your personal life, don’t put it out there.
It’s as simple as that.
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