Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Well, this Baptist has gone at it hammer and tongs with some of the Catholics on this thread...and after many hundreds of posts over months, I think we largely agreed that we disagreed on many doctrines, but agreed on the saving grace of God, the sacrifice of Jesus, the need for all to repent of their sins and ask God in the name of Jesus to forgive them and to change them by the indwelling Holy Spirit. We agree on God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
So I call them my brothers and sisters in Christ, and will rely on God to correct each of us in His time...or to wipe our tears away when we see Him and repent of our fighting.
In like manner, I’ll note the Society of Evangelical Arminians says, “If you agree with our statement of faith and our recognition of Calvinists as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, and you are committed to engaging this issue with love and respect for all, and you would like to join the society, please contact us with a request for membership...”
I have no doubts whatsoever about RnMomof7’s sincerity or that she has been saved and God is preparing a place for her. I’ve read too many of her posts to believe she is either a troll or a malicious person. Her disagreements with me spring from love, not hate - as do mine with her.
I must always remember that my sincerity doesn’t mean I cannot be wrong, or that most of the tears shed on that Day may be mine for my many erroneous posts. Maybe I’m wrong about Calvin. Maybe I’m wrong about the real presence in the Eucharist. Or maybe I’m right, but arguing for my pride rather than in love. I’m saved, but a saved sinner still prone to sin and error.
When I remember that, I can participate on these forums and rejoice for Christians who disagree with me. The thief on the cross didn’t pass a theology test - he merely believed Jesus (”Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”) I would hope to do more than the thief, but it will suffice if I do not do less...
I guess some Jews were just not Jewish enough. Oy Gevalt!
The question is “Does God limit himself for his purposes?” Obviously none of us can resist God. If he chose to save us irresistibly, he could and would.
But when the Philippian jailer asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”, they didn’t reply, “Nothing! Monergism, Dude!”
Instead they replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. - Acts 16
Or has the power and chooses to allow free will. And not manipulate free will to force love. Perhaps the reason is to allow real relations with human beings instead of imaginary ones.
Having power and using power are two different things.
I agree. Your remark that it was done away with after VatII is what prompted my comment. Yeah, unfortunately it was discarded after VatII... and replaced with nothing. So now we have a situation where children are taught the mechanics of glue, glitter and cardboard and then go straight to algebra without ever learning how to add, subtract, multiply and divide. It’s no wonder they turn into material and formal Protestants.
Ephesians 2:
[8] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God --
God's election preceded the creation of the world.. Grace follows the election .That is what Gods word teaches..
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
There are so many scriptures that speak of the power of God and election.. and the power of His grace..
John 5:21, "For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will."
The reason it is called irresistible grace is that it ALWAYS accomplishes what it is sent to do, it never fails
It is an internal work of God on the hardened human heart
Acts 16:14 14 One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
Everyone God calls to salvation will come...
FTR...I am in agreement with you on this theology.
Luke 2:
[52] And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man.
Please see post 5,183...Ephesians 2:8 does NOT teach that saving faith is a gift, although in an English translation it can look that way.
On the contrary I believe THERE IS NO CATHOLIC TEACHING WHICH IS SO CLEAR IT CANNOT BE DENIED, MODIFIED, OR REINTERPRETED AS REQUIRED!
For comparison, to see what is the ideal: what is the clear consistent UU teaching throughout the ages on Jesus Christ?
I believe you and I are contemporaries. My oldest is 56. If nohing else works; cry.
My mistake, you do believe in double predestination.
“that” refers to the entire previous statement about salvation, not only the grace but the faith. Man’s own power cannot exercise saving faith.
if you could save yourself, there would be no need for Christ. Does your faith come from God or from yourself. What is the rock upon which the church is built? Is it Christ or Peter
You are correct. Jewish history is clear that the original Septuagint was The Five Books of Moses only. No known copies of the original Septuagint survive.
Some Christians are anxious to claim all old Greek manuscripts as ‘Septuagint’ and claim they were ‘canon’.
Jews were literate folks, of course, and always had translations and commentaries in other languages and these might have been used in synagogues. That doesn’t make the ‘canon’ any more than similar works today are canon.
Of course I did. However, Honorius was convicted of heresy and excommunicated. We are not speaking of his "private" life, we are speaking of his teaching, we are not speaking of the standard excuse of "impecability", we are speaking of the impossibility of a Pope teaching heresy.
OTOH, you get people premeditadedly flying airplanes into buildings.
Yes, there is a failure to choose good over evil, but there is also the choice to do evil in that.
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