Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
No, the helpless infant Jesus was not the same as the adult Jesus. He still had much to learn.
I would say that He had much to EXPERIENCE-—but that He was not in need of learning, as being One of the Trinity, He is omniscient.
well then, how did “he grow in wisdom”
Who told you this? This sounds like some sort of convoluted heresy derived from Arianism and Nestorianism.
To say that our Lord "still had much to learn" when He was an infant denies His Divinity.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
Though I wouldn’t say that NOBODY is someone I could vouch for . . . not having interviewed EVERYONE! LOL.
Yes, Limbo was widely taught (as about .01% of teaching!); where you are getting "when you do away with Limbo that means they would go to hell" I have no idea, especially in view of your closing quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
I’m still confused on your position. Do you believe/hold double predestination as true?
Some years ago, a friend who grew up Fundamentalist Baptist had been excommunicated from her church because she was engaged to a non-Baptist. They married and she joined a Southern Baptist church. When her youngest son was 5 it was discovered that he had a hole in his heart that would require surgery. At the time she was quite active in her church home. She asked the pastor if he would add her son to the weekly prayer list for a while because of his impending surgery. After a few weeks she noticed that his name had still not appeared on the list. She asked the pastor. He politely told her that since her 5 year old son was neither saved nor baptised that he would not add the boy to the public prayer list but he, himself would pray for the boy. As far as her church was concerned the child was not a christian and would not go to heaven if he passed away during treatment. She was devistated.
Is God obliged to save all? Is God obliged to save any?
alright I’ll bite. Where does saving faith come from?
Done.
God had no obligation to save anyone. However, it was God who made salvation possible, and set the means - by grace, thru faith.
As to "Scripture does not teach any of this," I thought you were aware that the Catholic Church does not subscribe to the principal of sola scriptura (else we wouldn't have the doctrine of the Trinity either).
“Where does saving faith come from?”
According to scripture, from the person being saved.
and these verses are where now
I think we can finally do away with the idea that Protestants are united at least... unless Wesleyans don't qualify as Protestants?
That’s disgusting.
There was a canon from the time of Nehemiah, this canon is discussed in maccabees 2
Jesus himself divided the canon before Jamnia
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Very interesting perspective.
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