Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I may have missed it, but I don't recall him expressing a disagreement with Islam. I do remember the kissing the koran. Kinda shows how important symbolism is doesn't it?
You know, Dante has Mohammad in the circle of heretics eternally tortured. It’s hard for me to imagine that this is not known in the lands which moan under their abominable yoke.
All the more reason to preach Christ Crucified not kiss a koran.
Obviously if he did he wouldn't be invited back, nor would any other popes for a long time. As another RC posted he was human and made a mistake. Maybe the same thing should be said about his fascination with Mary, he was human and made a mistake.
I've supported every one of my posts with Scripture.
You, not so much.
And it isn't just "my Scripture." It's yours, too. Read it.
Good points.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
HE MADE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR WITH THE:
HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF THE FATHER IS MY MOTHER, BROTHER . . .
Catholics have it backwards: the earth and everything in it, including humble Jewish girls, were created by Christ. Mary did not create Christ. She is nothing more than a human vehicle to give him humanity, andbeing God, he really didn't even have to do it that way if he chose no to.
He is eternal, he was begotten before creation, before the Plan of Salvation.
to make Mary into the Roman invention, she must have titles and a new theology invented.She must also be pre-existent, the reason for creation, etc. etc., the firstborn of every creature, the fused soul with the Holy Spirit. This makes her superior to everyone but God the Father, and she is pretty much equal to Him from what I can determine. His love and pathos is ignored,even though it is revealed to mankind in the scriptures, but her supposed love of mankind, which is the invention of Rome and of men, has become the new focal point.
amen... just as a priesthood is not scriptural, just as a celibate pastorate is not scriptural ...I could go on..but you already get it :)
And so then, if she is all those high faluting things Rome says she is, then she was never human in the first place and they are denying Christ’s humanity, which leads to a whole nother can of worms, not necessarily the diet of
We are created in God’s image, more than “flesh”.
And flesh and spirit and in the spirit, etc. etc. speak of our choices, our believing in Christ, our love, our response to God’s grace and love, which Jesus teaches us is perfect causing the rain to fall and the sun to shine on the just and unjust alike.
A far cry from Calvin’s doomed in the womb.
And, if you can’t see the scriptural references in my posts, so be it.
Proof texting is of little value and Calvinism, as I said, shows the extreme errors about God possible using sola scriptura.
You miss the forest for the trees. Jesus’s whole ministry refutes Calvin. Our everyday experience refutes “the illusion of free will.” No amount of proof texting can overcome that.
lol, lol, no it proves Calvin. It's called the Plan of Salvation
No. :)
Local Councils are binding to local Churches.The Council of Carthage was binding to the Western (Latin) Church because it was accepted by the Bishop of Rome (Patriarch of the West). Thus the canon was set in the West by the 5th century. The Council of Trent merely reiterated the canon of the Council of Carthage centuries later.
Well put.
the Plan of Salvation
Yeah. It's all over before you're born - you're born lucky or you burn. Great plan - if you're a pagan.
Lemme guess: you were born lucky.
A Church father does not get to overrule the Consensus Patrum or the Magisterium,they humbly submit to the Church even if they have other thoughts. They don't run off and pridefully start a new religion like protestantism
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Jhn 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
It is Divine power of God overcoming the innate enmity of man to God which make him WILLING to come, because by nature all men are unwilling to come.
"Thy people shall be willing in the day of YOUR POWER( ps 110)
No, I have a problem with your view of Jesus loving little children, calling them to Him, while creating some of them solely for hellfire tinder.
Well read the bible, only a remnant is ever saved.
None of which proves totally depraved, double predestination or irresistible grace.
I read the Bible. All of it.
Calvin was a lawyer who uses verses to build a great case - for a guilty god.
God created Adam and Eve with free will. The Fall changed things. Radically.
Unless a man has been reborn by the Holy Spirit, that man will always and only choose poorly.
I'll defend to the bitter end salvation through Christ alone apart from works, the security of the believer, that man cannot come to God unless drawn by the work of the Holy Spirit in his life, and that God is sovereign, but just cannot defend the kind of predestination which makes us mere puppets and God capricious.
What you have first described is what Calvinists believe.
If man did not have free will, God would not be constantly challenging us to choose.
God tells us to do a lot of things He knows we can't do unless and until the Holy Spirit regenerates our wills and mind to know the things of God, to repent and believe.
Have you ever read "Bondage of the Will" by Luther?
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