Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Dr. Eckleburg]

1000SILVERLINGS: here's a picture of Rome's trinity from a church in Italy,(called the Trinity of Parma) notice Mary on the right hand of God, no Holy Spirit in sight

LOL. That is a GREAT example of the pecking order in Rome. The Holy Spirit is practically non-existent.

Calvin was right. Rome has usurped the office and purpose of the Holy Spirit and handed it over to Rome's magisterium who, in turn, has delegated that divine, spiritual responsibility to a fallen creature, Mary.

Rome cannot control the Holy Spirit; therefore Rome has deleted the Holy Spirit from its theology.

Rome is of the earth. Christians need to look up, to the "rock that is higher than I."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yep. Three makes “repeatedly.”

Nor would it be too far-fetched to assume there are other instances.

[Cronos]

Incidently, the same webpage 1000silverlings uses also has this:

MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL ..... JESUS?

As this study shows, according to scriptures, Jesus is the angel of the LORD, the angel of God, the angel of the covenant, the Archangel Michael, who appeared time and again in the Old Testament to speak directly to His people. Michael is just another title for the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, the principle messenger of the gospel (archangel) to humanity, but He is not a created being.

Now, this isn't what you, 1000silverlings believe in, is it?

[Cronos]

Do note that "person" is a poor translation. It is more apter to say "personas" or hypostases (Personhood in the Trinity does not match the common Western understanding of "person" as used in the English language—it does not imply an "individual, self-actualized center of free will and conscious activity" Each hypostases is understood as having the one identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures.)

these three hypostases consistute the Τριάς

[1000 silverlings]

it’s around God’s navel

[Dr. Eckleburg]

1) Very cool trick. How did you make the red circle?

2) I actually like the Scriptural idea of a dove as being the Holy Spirit, but that’s not what the picture seems to be offering. That particular image could be one of a dozen things. It looks like it’s imprinted on the Father’s robe. It also looks like a simple decoration. Or maybe a candelabra.

3) The greater problem with the picture, if indeed that scribble is the Holy Spirit, is that it is a tiny, confusing representation of one person of the Trinity which demands equal size and import as God the Father and God the Son. And certainly Mary shouldn’t even be in the picture. She has nothing to do with the Trinity other than being the human vessel chosen by God to bring the Christ child to term.

All glory belongs to God. And as He tells us, He is a jealous God. Rome needs to repent of stealing the glory of the Creator and handing it over to the creature. That kind of error never ends well.

[1000 silverlings]

Jesus called Him a Him

[Cronos]

The Holy Trinity, c. 1300 - 1350. English or Spanish. Alabaster. National Gallery of Art, Washington, D.C.

The normal depiction of the Trinity is an old man, Christ on the Cross and the Holy SPirit as a dove --> do you deny this historical depiction? you see the dove between the head of the Father and Christ on the Crucifix?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

That’s just wrong.

9~)

[1000 silverlings]

where’s Mary?

[Cronos]

It’s sheer ignorance...

[metmom]

Be stunned.

It looked like a candlestick holder to me.

I guess I need stronger glasses.....

>:(

[metmom]

LOL!

What a theological discussion that could start.

It’s bad enough when people argue over whether Adam had a navel or not....

[Cronos]

This is actually pretty interesting, I didn't know it earlier:

Hiscox, however, doesn’t inform his readers that the Waldenses for the most part believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary, the effectiveness of the sacraments, infant baptism, that “the Sacrifice [of the Mass], that is of the bread and wine, after the consecration are the body and blood of Jesus Christ”, that good deeds of the faithful may benefit the dead, to name just a few. That Baptist successionists can claim the Waldenses as their ancestors-sharing a common belief and practice-is quite untenable, if not disingenuous.

[1000 silverlings]

I believe what the bible says about michael, that he is an angel, ie a created being. Consequently we are not to pray to him as the bible forbids it. Perhaps you have me confused with Catholics who apparently, have decided to have their own traditions, and therefore pray to him if they feel like it.

[Cronos]

Courtesy Legatus:

[Cronos]

I have referred to YOUR link, which says that Michael = Jesus ==> since you referred to that link, do you agree with it's beliefs like this?

[1000 silverlings]

so, I didn’t write it, I just found that interesting picture thanks to google

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Answered here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=4346#4346

[Dr. Eckleburg]

And NOWHERE in that statue is Mary.