Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
It is plenty intelligible as it is.
However, such a request is informative.
A TYPE I ERROR: SAYS SOMETHING IS THERE WHEN NOTHING IS THERE.
A TYPE II ERROR: SAYS NOTHING IS THERE WHEN SOMETHING IS THERE.
THIS is where he goes off the tracks, in your quotes above:
But this is far from being the case. As I have already shown and will show again later on, this devotion is necessary, simply and solely because it is a way of reaching Jesus perfectly, loving him tenderly, and serving him faithfully.
What a slightly interesting fantasy:
Here I turn to you for a moment, dear Jesus, to complain lovingly to your divine Majesty that the majority of Christians, and even some of the most learned among them, do not recognise the necessary bond that unites you and your Blessed Mother. Lord, you are always with Mary and Mary is always with you. She can never be without you because then she would cease to be what she is. She is so completely transformed into you by grace that she no longer lives, she no longer exists, because you alone, dear Jesus, live and reign in her more perfectly than in all the angels and saints. If we only knew the glory and the love given to you by this wonderful creature, our feelings for you and for her would be far different from those we have now. So intimately is she united to you that it would be easier to separate light from the sun, and heat from the fire. I go further, it would even be easier to separate all the angels and saints from you than Mary; for she loves you ardently, and glorifies you more perfectly than all your other creatures put together.
We don’t know whether we will be able to go here or do whatever tomorrow. Yet folks are arrogantly defining and describing Heavenly existentials without a visit? What unmitigated balderdash.
What desperate shoehorning Mary into a status and an office she nor God have anything to do with.
When he left the tracks, he negated all the excellent paragraphs before.
In view of this, my dear Master, is it not astonishing and pitiful to see the ignorance and short-sightedness of men with regard to your holy Mother? I am not speaking so much of idolaters and pagans who do not know you and consequently have no knowledge of her. I am not even speaking of heretics and schismatics who have left you and your holy Church and therefore are not interested in your holy Mother. I am speaking of Catholics, and even of educated Catholics, who profess to teach the faith to others but do not know you or your Mother except speculatively, in a dry, cold and sterile way.
HELLO?
Loving Mamma did her duty. Now she’s teaching aborted babies the ways of God. End of story.
Get your priorities straight.
THAT’S the story.
Okay, leave aside the quality of the catechesis.
You claim that you know what the teaching is. You have brought your knowledge into the debate.
If I now question your knowledge will I be charged with doing something wrong?I am going to assume that since YOU brought your knowledge into the question I may question it. I will number the following questions and propositions to make it easier for you to show me where I am wrong.
I argue that, for whatever reason, you do not know the doctrine. For:
(1)Now, you have said that the doctrine cannot be true because no perceptible change takes place.
(2) This implies that you claim that the doctrine teaches that a perceptible change takes place.
(3) For, if what happens accords with the doctrine, then, while the doctrine may be wrong for some other reason, it cannot be wrong because of what happens.
(4) But you claim that what happens shows the doctrine to be wrong.
(5) Therefore you make the claim in (2) above.
(6) But the doctrine teaches that no perceptible change takes place. Art. 5, Q, 75, III, Summa -- "Whether the accidents of the bread and wine remain in this sacrament after the change?" [Hint: no.]
(7)Therefore EITHER -a- your claim to know the doctrine is false OR -b- one can know something that is not true.
(8) -b- is absurd, so
(9) You do not know the doctrine.
Q.E.D.
Please note that the argument is made without reference to quality of catechesis, but entirely on the basis of things you have said, things Aquinas has written, and logic.
In view of this, my dear Master, is it not astonishing and pitiful to see the ignorance and short-sightedness of men with regard to your holy Mother? I am not speaking so much of idolaters and pagans who do not know you and consequently have no knowledge of her. I am not even speaking of heretics and schismatics who have left you and your holy Church and therefore are not interested in your holy Mother. I am speaking of Catholics, and even of educated Catholics, who profess to teach the faith to others but do not know you or your Mother except speculatively, in a dry, cold and sterile way.
NO! IT’S NOT ASTONISHING NOR PITIFUL AT ALL. THEY ARE AHEAD OF THE DELUDED IDOLATORS. They have not incurred near as much of Mamma’s disgust.
UNMITIGATED NONSENSE. Christ Himself showed THE WAY PERFECTLY--AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS MOTHER--WHO WAS EVEN THEN, ESSENTIALLY HISTORY.
This whole stinking pile of existential fantasy IS AN INSULT TO THE LIFE, TEACHING AND MINISTRY OF CHRIST--BY WHOM ALL THAT WAS CREATED WAS CREATED.
IT ESSENTIALLY DECLARES that HE, GOD, DIDN'T TEACH IT RIGHT. HE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT. HE DIDN'T FORMALLY INSTALL MUMMY IN HER PROPER PLACE.
THEREFORE, THIS CABAL OF BUREAUCRATIC POLITICAL MAGICSTERICAL POWERMONGERS 300-400 years LATER HAVE TO CLEAN UP CHRIST'S ACT AND DO IT RIGHT TO RESCUE THE SYSTEM!
TO RESCUE THE WHOLE STINKING FAR TOO OVERLY HUMAN SYSTEM AND THEIR OWN POWER-MONGERING, INDEED!
WHAT AN INSULT TO THE NAME, LIFE, ROLE, & OFFICE OF JESUS THE CHRIST.
CHRIST HIMSELF EMPHASIZED THAT THOSE WHO DID THE WILL OF THE FATHER WERE HIS MOTHER, FATHER, BROTHERS, SISTERS.
RC'S IRRATIONALLY DISMISS THAT VERSE AS WELL AS THE VERSES ABOUT CHRIST'S BLOOD HALF-SIBLINGS. The 'cousin' nonsense is irrational on the face of it from the context. There would, in that culture, be no purpose or reason in mentioning cousins. Such a meaning would negate the whole verse as meaningless and useless. The only fitting rational meaning is as stated in the overwhelming majority of translations--Christ's blood brothers and sisters. Sheesh.
Paul further elaborated on THE WAY--again with no mention of Mary as any part of it.
Montfort is fabricating fantasies . . . and very dangerously so.
One RC was careful to point out that that was NOT what Quix said.
THIS PARAGRAPH IS SOOO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH OF THE NEED TO AVOID MARY ALTOGETHER IN FOCUSING ON CHRIST
AND YET SO FAR:
These people seldom speak of your Mother or devotion to her. They say they are afraid that devotion to her will be abused and that you will be offended by excessive honour paid to her. They protest loudly when they see or hear a devout servant of Mary speak frequently with feeling, conviction and vigour of devotion to her. When he speaks of devotion to her as a sure means of finding and loving you without fear or illusion, or when he says this devotion is a short road free from danger, or an immaculate way free from imperfection, or a wondrous secret of finding you, they put before him a thousand specious reasons to show him how wrong he is to speak so much of Mary. There are, they say, great abuses in this devotion which we should try to stamp out and we should refer people to you rather than exhort them to have devotion to your Mother, whom they already love adequately.
Let that it is. Then our way is not broad and easy. The only thing that's easy about it is that ability to transgress, to trespass.
I think when some people think of 'the Way', they think of a valley or a path through the woods or something like that, something with high sides. I often think of a mountain ridge, or one of those stone bridges one sees in adventure movies. A slip to the left or to the right and, barring Divine rescue, one plummets into the abyss.
So, only for the 18 gazillionth time, I argue that 'dangerousness' is no argument against truth. In fact it may be a suggestion that the thing called dangerous IS the truth.
[HE GETS IT MORE ACCURATELY AND BIBLICALLY HERE BUT MISSES THE IMPORT AND MEANING HIS BETTERS HAVE SEEN]:
After all, they say, we do not need them to be saved. If they come across one who loves our Lady, who says the rosary or shows any devotion towards her, they soon move him to a change of mind and heart. They advise him to say the seven penitential psalms instead of the Rosary, and to show devotion to Jesus instead of to Mary.
This part is outrageously UNBIBLICAL AND IRRATIONAL:
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Yet all the while these persons are devoid of piety or genuine devotion to you, for they have no devotion to Mary.
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THAT'S LIKE SAYING, I DON'T LOVE YOU BECAUSE I DON'T LOVE YOUR PET RABBIT!
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WHAT UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH. What irrational deception from hell.
YES! Far more than the Maryolators!
Do they please you by acting in this way?
YES! Far more than the Maryolators because they have my priorities for them more correct and properly lived-out.
Would it please you if we were to make no effort to give pleasure to your Mother because we are afraid of offending you?
YES! As my Word declares, I am a jealous God. I made very clear 2000 years ago that those who DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER ARE MY MOTHER, FATHER, BROTHERS, SISTERS. Why didn't you "GET IT?" Why all this cluelessness on that score?
Does devotion to your holy Mother hinder devotion to you?
YES! It DOES! . . . in millions of lives around the planet. And it grieves my Father's heart. It grieves my heart and if I allowed her to dwell on it, it would grieve Mary's heart.
Does Mary keep for herself any honour we pay her?
That's not the point. Putting it on her is misplaced honor in the first place. It is FORBIDDEN. GET IT RIGHT!
Is she a rival of yours?
In the hearts and lives of millions of Roman Catholics around the world, she is--however unwittingly or wittingly.
Of course, in existential reality, there ARE NO RIVALS. Propping Mary up such that she becomes one in the hearts, minds, & lives of so many millions is a horrific sin dangering to destroying the spiritual health and vitality if not the Salvation of millions. Better a millstone were tied around the neck and such teachers cast into the sea than to hazard so many weak and young in the faith with such heretical idolatry and blasphemy.
Is she a stranger having no kinship with you?
Don't be absurd. That straw dog is not the point. GET IT RIGHT! GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT BEFORE ME, BEFORE THE FATHER. As far as Mary--anything else grieves, disgusts and outrages HER.
Does pleasing her imply displeasing you?
Another straw dog. GET IT RIGHT. GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT BEFORE ME, BEFORE THE FATHER. As far as Mary--anything else grieves, disgusts and outrages HER.
Does the gift of oneself to her constitute a deprivation for you?
In a real and crucial sense in the hearts, minds, lives of millions, YES! It IS BLASPHEMY, IDOLATRY, MISPLACED PRIORITIES--GET IT RIGHT. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS ABOVE LOVING GOD *ABOVE* *ALL* ELSE!
GET IT RIGHT. STOP ALL THIS WEASEL WORD RATIONALIZING.
Is love for her a lessening of our love for you?
YES! Why are you so daft about human psychology and spirituality?
PROPER PRIORITIES ARE ESSENTIAL. THE FIRST COMMANDMENT IS CRUCIAL, ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. There ARE NO WEASEL WORDS adequate to get around it. GET IT RIGHT.
The problem your side has is that you assume that sometime after the writing of the last book in the NT, everything became so very awful and remained so, despite occasional glimmers of light, that starting in 1517 (only a few decades before 1590, we are asked to believe) the Church had to be reconstructed from ... Sola Scriptura.
The artificiality of this exercise would seem to be emphasized by the wide array of non-Catholic organizations all claiming to be Sola Scriptura and many contradicting one another, some even anathematizing one another, if not now, certainly only 2.5 to 3.5 centuries ago right here in the colonies.
BTW, I remind you personally that you invited a little exposition on scholastic metaphysics. I gave one, and have another in the oven.
NONSENSE.
WHERE IS YOUR FEAR OF THE LORD YOUR GOD?
THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM! NOT! fawning over Mamma. Mamma's first job with me is done. Get over it.
Mamma is NOT an also ran. She was never intended to be. Get it through your head. She's not in the Queen's chair. There is no Queen of Heaven's chair. Deal with it.
Okay, so the wisdom of this world is okay when it's called "common sense"?
Bingo.
It is hard NOT to want to 'win', to maintain the desire that Truth win, even if that means I lose. It is painful to "lose." Paul doesn't say, "Whoopee, isn't this a gas!" He says that the pain is like the pain of childbirth.
So it seems to me that to exacerbate that pain is, well, unnecessary and even blocks communication.
Also these are simple things -- and the simpler the thing, the more complicated the words, I think. A car is complex, but a three year old knows what is is. God is utterly simple, and look at the words written about Him!
The more energy I have to divert to staunching the flow of emotional blood, the less I have to savor the argument of the person who just wounded me, to see the good in the argument, the part that invites assent.
And I cannot really understand the argument if I don't see the good in it as well as what seems to be wrong with it.
Aristotle's school was called "the Peripatetics" because they walked around as they talked. You have to walk in friendship if you really want to understand what somebody else is saying, I think. Yeah, sometimes sit, and even sit and drink. But sometimes amble together. It takes all I have not to run away when you're on a tear.
Gotta go turn into a security geezer.
WHAT BALDERDASH.
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1. BELEIVERS paying Mamma no mind do NOT offend her in the least. THAT IS HER DELIGHT! She learned the truth of Paul's exhortation about HIM DECREASING THAT I MIGHT INCREASE early. She's properly delighted to be nothing in the lives of those who Love me.
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2. SHE KNOWS WHERE THE PROPER PRIORITIES AND DEVOTIONS LIE. YOU DON'T. YOU'D BEST LEARN, FAST. GET IT RIGHT.
So that I may obtain from your mercy a genuine devotion to your blessed Mother and spread it throughout the whole world, help me to love you wholeheartedly, and for this intention accept the earnest prayer I offer with St. Augustine and all who truly love you.
You should have saved your breath and pen. Augustine blew it.
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Augustine blew it wherever and whenever and to whatever degree he ever altered his focus from CHRIST ALONE.
Throwing in Augustine’s prayer in that post after all the heretical blasphemy and idolatry about Mary from Montfort is a milk sop. It doesn’t cut it.
The only response to the Mary idolatry is REPENTANCE—not a nice Christ-centric prayer from Augustine.
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